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"Torsten Welches" <torsten.welches@who.cares.netcologne.de> schrieb im
Newsbeitrag news:3ae2c30b$1_1@dnews...
> John,
>
> I, too, started to read the C# and .Net specs and finally downloaded the
> .Net SDK beta on Friday. What followed was a typical Windows episode, I'll
> tell it for everybodys amusement:
> ...
> ...
> Let me make it clear that this has nothing to do with the quality or
> relevance of .Net/C#.
> .Net is likely to change the whole picture for a Windows developer and C#
> sure is a worthwhile language.
>
> I for one am quite happy about .Net/C# because it puts preasure on Sun and
> that's per se a good thing. If you are doing Windows apps exclusively it
has
> always been questionable if Java is the easiest way to go. Delphi or
> C++Builder are probably better suited for this, even Visual C++, although
> the MFC are a royal PITA.
> I have only looked at .Net for some hours now, so I won't comment on the
> technicals yet.

This resembles perfectly my own impressions so far. IMHO if MS goes to be
also somehow plattform portable (e.g. Windog, Solaris and other *nix
flavours like Linux and FreeBSD etc.) Sun will be absolutely forced to react
on this. And IMHO there will be then two possibilities for them:

a) make Java better, fix all the gliches and try to be advantage and
ahead...

b) again starting a lawyer war with MS...


> I'm doing my money with Java and I don't have the faintest doubts that I
> will continue to do so for some more years to come. .Net is beta and Java
> has grown to be the defacto standard in the enterprise area. Java still
has
> numerous problems and .Net will help to solve them, if you know what I
mean.

Well, directly and sadly said:

It mostly often doesn't play a role in business what you want, what you
personally like or prefer. What finally counts is, what your customers
finally want and how you get out the money for your living. So you will be
forced to stream with the hype. The nowadys hype might be tomorrow dead and
there will be a new hype all the DAUs (Torsten can translate this german
abbreviation for the rest if he likes ...) are looking for, so we are mostly
also forced to jump on this bandwagon.

All in all I don't see really much new concepts in the IT software and
especially the OO area etc. and mostly every new hype here is finally only a
reborn child (with a new and different name) from passed older and well know
concepts. Examples:

- Lisp machines, CommonLisp with CLOS (also some scheme flavours) and
Smalltalk are much more powerfull prog languages than C++ or Java etc. They
had full featured IDEs still 30 years ago, invented the pointing devices, a
cleaner OO meta model and much better GCs etc. - But are nowadays nearly
dead or nobody any longer cares about them (only those who steal their
concepts in order to sell them as something pretty new :-).

- Java is finally only a mixture of some stolen or borrowed concepts from
C++/Smalltalk and Obj-C in a new dress with a more century like hype name.
The same applies to C# related to Java!

- OO, DesignPatters, most Methodologies etc. aren't something new, they have
been around for a long time but nobody was really aware of them under this
name. So nowadays the hype dresses them (all these old concepts) as some
sort of  new child and gives them a well sounding new name, that's all.

- Even the roots of the nowadays internet always have been there. The
difference is only that it has been pushed in the last years more and more
into commercial, business and opened end user directions instead of the
former military, science and education limited areas.

- and so on...

Now my resume is, that nowadays the wheel is always almost only be
reinvented, pepped up a little bit (new dressed), new packed and finally
marketed and sold as something pretty new. Related to Java and .NET/C#
Microsoft is just doing that and the danger for Sun is here, that MS knows
all the tricks to do this very well. MS has much good experiences in this
area, was mostly always successful and has a pretty good working marketing
machinery (well, they also have good and much programmers). Sun lost a lot
by the success of the Linux power on cheap PC hardware (why should I use a
Sparc with Solaris nowadays related to PC/Linux costs/efficency, Linux is in
some areas even better than Solaris ). Microsoft IMO didn't lost so much,
even many Linux apps look like or are build after Windows apps, most people
feel that using Windog is still easier and more comfortable.

In other words, if nobody puts MS stones into their now and future way (who
can? only the end users finally could do this, but most of them are DAUs),
I'am pretty shure they will be successful this time. And then maybe some
day, I will have to program with Borland's CSharp- or .NET Builder IDE ;-).


Greetings Valentino