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On Fri, 3 Dec 2004 11:44:27 -0600, "test" <test@webmail.winona.edu>
wrote:

>I am evaluating a third party Grid component 
>(JBGridX if anyone is familar with it).

Have you talked to VisualSoft (the makers of JBGrid) to see if they
have any documented issues in using JBGrid with JBuilder 2005?  Also,
are you using the latest version of JBGrid (3.4) with JBuilder 2005?


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Yes and Yes.

They are reviewing the situation and I believe they are working on the issue 
with no records issue.  I'm not too worried about that I guess - can always 
find another grid bean somewhere.  I just have noticed that when the Live 
Visual subcomponent is dealing with their Grid, my JPanel pays the price.  I 
haven't had anything like that happen with the base java components so can 
only *bitch* about the Designer when using that component.


"David Orriss, Jr. [TeamB]" <jbuilder_man@davenet.net> wrote in message 
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> On Fri, 3 Dec 2004 11:44:27 -0600, "test" <test@webmail.winona.edu>
> wrote:
>
>>I am evaluating a third party Grid component
>>(JBGridX if anyone is familar with it).
>
> Have you talked to VisualSoft (the makers of JBGrid) to see if they
> have any documented issues in using JBGrid with JBuilder 2005?  Also,
> are you using the latest version of JBGrid (3.4) with JBuilder 2005?
>
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On 12/3/2004 at 12:44:27 PM, test wrote:

> So, I'm guessing that the "live visual subcomponent" is doing 
> something that when it gets an error is putting the other objects 
> at risk.  

Yes, that is likely.  There are going to be some differences in the
environment when a component is running inside the UI Designer.  If
the component makes too many assumptions, it may fail.

> I'm hoping there is a way to tell the Designer to not use the 
> "live visual" mode so it doesn't have to always try to update 
> the information or get to the state that I am currently in.  

You can define a proxy component that replaces the designed component.
Heavyweight components like JDialog are designed using proxies, since they
cannot be placed inside the Swing-based Designer.  I have never done this,
so I cannot give you much advice on how to do it.  And last I checked, the
documentation was pretty sparse.

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Thank you for your reply.  I will start the search for some documentation on 
proxying components.


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> On 12/3/2004 at 12:44:27 PM, test wrote:
>
>> So, I'm guessing that the "live visual subcomponent" is doing
>> something that when it gets an error is putting the other objects
>> at risk.
>
> Yes, that is likely.  There are going to be some differences in the
> environment when a component is running inside the UI Designer.  If
> the component makes too many assumptions, it may fail.
>
>> I'm hoping there is a way to tell the Designer to not use the
>> "live visual" mode so it doesn't have to always try to update
>> the information or get to the state that I am currently in.
>
> You can define a proxy component that replaces the designed component.
> Heavyweight components like JDialog are designed using proxies, since they
> cannot be placed inside the Swing-based Designer.  I have never done this,
> so I cannot give you much advice on how to do it.  And last I checked, the
> documentation was pretty sparse.
>
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>
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Ok, I've got to find out how to disable this *live view* thing in Designer!

I've now run into another instance where it trashes my layout (resets 
everything on form to a size of 1,1 and places it in upper left corner). 
The cause this time was me creating a CellRenderer for a JList I am using in 
one of the JPanels.  The ANIsUsingGroupListRenderer extends an abstract 
class which has been used on another JList on the form for a week with no 
issues.  I'd like to find out how to turn off this *live preview* in 
designer so I'm not wasting my time any longer fixing it's hiccups.

Anyone have any ideas?  I don't really want to move back to JBuilderX as 
2005 has been good to me except for this issue, but I will if I have to do 
so to get rid of this live preview BS.

Thanks in advance.

Todd

----------------- begin code snippet ----------------------------------
lstANIsUsingAcctGroup.setCellRenderer(new ANIsUsingGroupListRenderer());

ANIsUsingGroupListRenderer aug = (ANIsUsingGroupListRenderer) 
lstANIsUsingAcctGroup.getCellRenderer();

aug.setUseAlternatingColors(true);
aug.setFirstAlternateActiveBackground(new Color(180,194,225));
aug.setFirstAlternateActiveForeground(Color.black);
aug.setSecondAlternateActiveBackground(new Color(240,248,255));
aug.setSecondAlternateActiveForeground(Color.black);
aug.setSelectedActiveItemBackground(Color.blue);
aug.setSelectedActiveItemForeground(Color.white);
---------------- end code snippet ----------------------------------------


"test" <test@webmail.winona.edu> wrote in message 
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> First, I'm rather new to Java - just started developing in it about 3 
> months ago.  So, needless to say, I'm not 100% sure it isn't my *own* 
> fault.  But, I've spent the better part of 7 hours *playing* and trying to 
> understand what is going on and haven't been able to yet.  So I've decided 
> to seek advice.
>
> Configuration:
> Using JBuilder2005 on Windows XP (all newest Service Packs) and JDK 1.4. 
> I have recently upgraded from JBuilder X because 2005 seemed to resolve 
> some of my outstanding issues with that environment.
>
> Issue:
> Adding objects to the JPanel.  I am evaluating a third party Grid 
> component (JBGridX if anyone is familar with it).  I've run into some 
> issues while using it in the Designer view.  This grid has many different 
> ways to load it with data - fine.  I used the 'simplest' (a dataModel) to 
> begin with. Things worked perfectly and I was able to design the rest of 
> the JPanel with that grid placed in it's approprate sub-JPanel.  I then 
> removed all the records from the table that is used to populate that grid. 
> The JBGrid did NOT appreciate that.  It ended up giving me an error 
> something like:  Failed to create live visual subcomponent...  It then hit 
> me that I had actually seen *live* data in the JBGrid while in the 
> Designer view - I don't recall that every happening in JBuilder X. (is 
> that something new in JBuilder 2005?).  Well, I know it's the grid's 
> problem.  But what I didn't appreciate is that when I got that error, the 
> JPanel in Designer view went "Blank".  I looked at the structure and 
> everything was still *there* - whew.  I went into the Source view and the 
> code looked okay.  Everything had bounds, was added to the main JPanel 
> etc.  I tried to switch back and forth between Design and Source view 
> hoping the code gods would fix things.  They didn't. Now, my first 
> reaction was to dump the grid as a possibility.  But I'm not sure I'm 
> ready to do that yet.  So, I started off from scratch again.  New Class 
> (extends JPanel), Add second JPanel to put grid into, add GridX to second 
> JPanel.  So far so good.  Make sure data is in table - done.  Add third 
> JPanel to put Jtextboxes and JLabels into (used to show detail of the item 
> selected in the grid).  Added Labels and TextBoxes with little incident. 
> Placed a JButton onto the first JPanel.  BOOM - everything gone again.  I 
> selected each object via the Structure menu and resized and dragged them 
> all back to where they belong.  Changed the name of the button I just put 
> on the form.  BOOM - everything gone again. Rinse/Repeat...Rinse/Repeat.. 
> on and on.  I tried to add other objects to the first JPanel as well and 
> every time it had to do something (maybe redraw the JPanel in the 
> Designer) it took everything but the Grid and the JPanel it was in away. 
> I ended up having three buttons on the JPanel at the end and each time I 
> modified a property of any of them, they all got reduced to a 1,1 in the 
> upper left corner of the JPanel.  When they (buttons, textboxes, lables) 
> were reduced the buttons lost their assigned text and font properties. 
> They did keep their names, but lost everything else.  The labels were okay 
> when resized and dragged.
>
> So, I'm *guessing* that the "live visual subcomponent" is doing something 
> that when it gets an error is putting the other objects at risk.  I'm 
> hoping there is a way to tell the Designer to not use the "live visual" 
> mode so it doesn't have to always try to update the information or get to 
> the state that I am currently in.  I have the guys working on the grid 
> crashing when no data in the supporting table.  But this issue occurs even 
> when there is data in the table, so I'm guessing it's more of an issue 
> with the JBuilder 2005 designer.
>
> Anyone have any ideas on what I can try next, or better yet a way to turn 
> off this 'live visual' mode (I don't remember ever seeing that in 
> JBuilderX so I think it's a new feature).  The other thing I've noticed is 
> that when things 'crash' (switching from Source to Designer view) I have a 
> small window open with the 'java icon' and nothing in the title bar. 
> Possibly the JRE?  Not really sure.  There have been times when I have 6 - 
> 10 of these pesky things loaded at once.  I end up closing them all 
> manually when there are too many open at once for my liking.
>
> Thank you in advance.
>
> Todd
>
>
> 

test wrote:
> Ok, I've got to find out how to disable this *live view* thing in Designer!
> 
> I've now run into another instance where it trashes my layout (resets 
> everything on form to a size of 1,1 and places it in upper left corner). 
> The cause this time was me creating a CellRenderer for a JList I am using in 
> one of the JPanels.  The ANIsUsingGroupListRenderer extends an abstract 
> class which has been used on another JList on the form for a week with no 
> issues.  I'd like to find out how to turn off this *live preview* in 
> designer so I'm not wasting my time any longer fixing it's hiccups.
> 
> Anyone have any ideas?  I don't really want to move back to JBuilderX as 
> 2005 has been good to me except for this issue, but I will if I have to do 
> so to get rid of this live preview BS.
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> Todd

I'm not really familiar with the component(s) causing the problem, but 
it sounds like something needs to be wrapped by checking for 
java.beans.Beans.isDesignTime().

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First, so we can agree on things:  Is this live preview a 'feature' or is it 
part of the 'core system'.  If it is a 'feature' I'd expect that I can turn 
it off somehow.  If it's part of the new core system, I'll have to look for 
another environment that isn't causing me the trouble (read that backing up 
to JBuilder X).

I really don't think I'd want to wrap any of my application code in 
something who's sole purpose is to solve a 'design time' issue(s).  I'd 
rather take care of it at the designer level than making my code responsible 
for determining the environment it is in.  The one thing that I know is that 
this problem doesn't happen in JBuilder X (worst thing that I've had there 
is the 'red box' saying compenent can't be rendered...no big deal) and it is 
happening in JBuilder 2005 (more than just a third party control now).

I have found a work around for the cell rendering code.  I decided to 
declare a new cellrenderer and make all my changes to it before assigned it 
to the JList.  Basically I moved everything above the line of code that sets 
the cell renderer for the jlist.  That allows me to design things w/o any 
problems and to this point hasn't caused the issue to arrise again.  But I'd 
still like to know if it's a feature that I can turn off or revert to the 
way JBuilder X did it.

Thanks for all the help!

Todd

"Lori M Olson [TeamB]" <javadragon@techie.com> wrote in message 
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>
>
> test wrote:
>> Ok, I've got to find out how to disable this *live view* thing in 
>> Designer!
>>
>> I've now run into another instance where it trashes my layout (resets 
>> everything on form to a size of 1,1 and places it in upper left corner). 
>> The cause this time was me creating a CellRenderer for a JList I am using 
>> in one of the JPanels.  The ANIsUsingGroupListRenderer extends an 
>> abstract class which has been used on another JList on the form for a 
>> week with no issues.  I'd like to find out how to turn off this *live 
>> preview* in designer so I'm not wasting my time any longer fixing it's 
>> hiccups.
>>
>> Anyone have any ideas?  I don't really want to move back to JBuilderX as 
>> 2005 has been good to me except for this issue, but I will if I have to 
>> do so to get rid of this live preview BS.
>>
>> Thanks in advance.
>>
>> Todd
>
> I'm not really familiar with the component(s) causing the problem, but it 
> sounds like something needs to be wrapped by checking for 
> java.beans.Beans.isDesignTime().
>
> -- 
>
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>
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On 12/14/2004 at 5:37:40 PM, test wrote:

> Is this live preview a 'feature' or is it part of the 'core system'.

It is part of the core system.  The UI Designer works by instantiating
components and setting properties on the live components.

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Ok, I've decided that I really like JBuilder 2005 (with service pack 1 
applied) EXCEPT FOR LIVE PREVIEW!

I've written a pretty simple class (extends a combobox) which is to 
automatically populate itself based upon data that resides from one of the 
vectors in a data collection object.  That object is not populated with any 
data during design time.

The JBuilder 2005 Designer reports the error:
Failed to create live visual subcomponent cboHuntGroupMainANI as comboANIs 
cboHuntGroupMainANI = new comboANIs();. Creating a red component in its 
place

It does not produce a red component in it's place.  Instead it has moved 
everything in the panel to 0,0 and set a size of 1.  It has also removed the 
font, horizontalalignment, and text properties from all the objects on the 
JPanel.

I can start JBuilder X and it will not display the component, but it does 
not trash the remaining components either.

So, I am begging that there be a flag to turn OFF live preview for those of 
us that don't find it necessary to actually design in a run time 
environment.

Thank you. 

On 1/10/2005 at 12:34:55 PM, test wrote:

> Ok, I've decided that I really like JBuilder 2005 (with service pack 1 
> applied) EXCEPT FOR LIVE PREVIEW!

> The JBuilder 2005 Designer reports the error:

You should apply update 3 as well.  I understand that it has some fixes
related to the UI Designer.  It is available from the same place you got
update 1, although it is inappropriately named "JBuilder 2005 Application
Server Update".

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That did the trick!  Thank you.  I now get a red component for those that 
cannot be updated properly.
YEAH!


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> On 1/10/2005 at 12:34:55 PM, test wrote:
>
>> Ok, I've decided that I really like JBuilder 2005 (with service pack 1
>> applied) EXCEPT FOR LIVE PREVIEW!
>
>> The JBuilder 2005 Designer reports the error:
>
> You should apply update 3 as well.  I understand that it has some fixes
> related to the UI Designer.  It is available from the same place you got
> update 1, although it is inappropriately named "JBuilder 2005 Application
> Server Update".
>
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Just an update with something I'm noticing with the JBuilder 2005 sp3 
designer.

It is working much better than before (though I'd still like to be able to 
turn the live preview off at some point).

The only issue I am having now (and it is new) is that when I place anything 
onto a JPanel that will cause the JPanel to be updated with the live 
preview, I get a new instance of javaw.exe.  In those cases where the live 
preview fails (which is always for me on most of my sub-JPanels) it doesn't 
close the javaw.exe used to create the live preview.

I can now reproduce this at will so I thought I'd bring it up as an issue. 
Gets to be a bit of a pain when I have to close 25 or more javaw's after a 
half hour of playing with a design.

Thanks.  Overall though, I'm still very happy with this version of JBuilder 
2005.

Todd 

The same happends to me.

I have a project since JBuilder 4. Few days ago i move from JBuilder X 
to 2005 and when i enter to design tab in some dialogs, the JLabels 
loose the size, text and font. This happens only in some JDialogs.
I update te JBuilder 2005 whith update 3, but do the same. Actually i 
use Suse 9.0 with KDE 3.1.

PD: As you see, english isn't my natural languaje.

Update 3 helped solved that issue for me.  Not once has the designer 
misbehaved in that fashion again.  I use XP though, so I'm not sure if 
there's an issue between OSes.


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"Jordi Peris" <jperis@ival.com> wrote in message 
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> The same happends to me.
>
> I have a project since JBuilder 4. Few days ago i move from JBuilder X to 
> 2005 and when i enter to design tab in some dialogs, the JLabels loose the 
> size, text and font. This happens only in some JDialogs.
> I update te JBuilder 2005 whith update 3, but do the same. Actually i use 
> Suse 9.0 with KDE 3.1.
>
> PD: As you see, english isn't my natural languaje. 

CaptnTony escribi�:
> Update 3 helped solved that issue for me.  Not once has the designer 
> misbehaved in that fashion again.  I use XP though, so I'm not sure if 
> there's an issue between OSes.
> 
> 
I have resolved the question. The problem was:
1- I have a JPanel (we call this jPanel1) with jtextfields, jlabels and 
another JPanel (jPanel2)
In JPanel2 whe have JLabels, JTextfields, and 1 button. The icon of the 
button was loaded from a file with "new 
ImageIcon(PropertiesClass.getProperty(directory)+"/image.gif").
Of course, in design time the icons do not appear because the class with 
properties is loaded on execution time.
In JBuilderX the panel 2 showed in grey and empty. That i think is 
normal, but in JBuilder 2005, if after this statement i have a statement 
of a JTextField (like setMinimumSize(20,20)), then in jpanel1 all the 
jLabels is showed whith no text, no size and no font.

I have change the images and now is loaded like a resource and all works 
fine.