🚀 go-pugleaf

tluyben wrote:
> 
> John Hinsley wrote:
> 
> > I really can't get the hang of installing Java/running Java on Linux.
> >
> > I'm trying to run anyj on SuSE 6.1 (OK, so they've tested it on 6.2, but
> > there
> > really isn't that much difference).
> 
> >
> > I've installed the anj stuff, the IBM  jdk118 and jre118 to one
> > directory:
> > /opt/anyj  so it looks like this:
> >
> 
> Do NOT install IBM jre with anyj. The jdk117 at blackdown works fine...
> The ibmpackage is highly unstable as far as I can see, especially with
> AWT / Swing.
> jdk117_3 is quite stable, especially for servlets; it hasn't crashed on
> me yet.
> On the client I have not seen any stable java; the linux versions are
> the worst, but under windows, java apps (jbuilder also) keep crashing
> all the time. Under NT and 95/98 with different kinds of JVM.
> A company like Borland should concentrate a division of programmers
> on the sole task of make the AWT bugless and lightning fast; that WILL
> get you loads of publicity. Just the thing Borland needs...
> I'm not sure if Sun is doing something about it, but I would take WxWindows
> (crossplatform toolkit) or something and route all calls to AWT or Swing
> directly to WxWindows. That and a good JIT will get you there and it
> will get you there almost bugless (the WxWindows toolkit is well tested,
> all AWT native stuff is not)
> 
> My 2 cents...
> 
> Best regards,
> Tycho Luyben
> 
> C with OO is like a pig with wings.

Thanks Tycho

Hmmm.

I'm not sure . There are people out there who have  anyj working without
much
hastle with the IBM bits and bobs and who recon it's pretty quick.

I think I'm falling foul of an installation (and initiation) technique
which
seems to have been written for grey haired Unix sysops with 30 years of
experience. (As I say, I can't get the Borland stuff working -- with the
blackdown kit -- but then, I'm not exactly sure what  I should expect: I
expected a nice IDE to pop up, as it does for just about any Smalltalk I
install). While you might be able to get away with that on Unix or Free
BSD, I
don't think you can with Linux anymore.

I just want a nice IDE to help me learn the language, I don't care if it
crashes every so often. But I'm not sure that pure (ie. without Python)
java
warrants the effort of a CLI: everyone seems to be abandoning it for
"serious"
applications.  And I can't see anything coming from Sun: as a company,
they
depress me even more than Microsoft. (But for different reasons). Never
before
has so much talent been headed up by such morons!

They've stopped work on Scheme and delivered an unimproved version of
Star
Office to a bewhildered universe through so little bandwidth that it
would
take 20 hours to download it and, what's more, through HTTP, so the
connection
will remain broken.  Morons!!!

Sorry
-- 
Turning C into an object oriented language is like trying to make a dog
into
an octopus.............. by nailing extra legs on it.

(found on a Smalltalk site.)