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"Erik Denkers" <edenkers@ktis.net> wrote:

>Anybody have any clue as to when WebTools will be recompiled for vdb 5.6?
>Have need of good web integration with dbf's on 16-bit platform.

I'll throw a reminder at the folk who are responsible for it ...

Ken
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Erik Denkers wrote:

> Anybody have any clue as to when WebTools will be recompiled for vdb
> 5.6?

A months ago I ask the about the same question.  I don't remember who
responded but I was told it was coming in two weeks.  Maybe they work in
a slower time zone. (G).

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Dan Barbaria <barbaria@top.net> wrote:

>A months ago I ask the about the same question.  I don't remember who
>responded but I was told it was coming in two weeks.  Maybe they work in
>a slower time zone. (G).

Things happen, people get busy. Keep in mind that the folk doing this
are in Tech Support, and they are VERY busy ... I have forwarded the
request for this to be completed to the folk in Tech Support, but
haven't heard anything ... (the last time a request to find out what
was happening, the person working on it moved to another department;
someone new was put on it; then he went on vacation ...)

Ken
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Erik Denkers <edenkers@ktis.net> wrote in article
<70o1bi$mb95@forums.borland.com>...
> Anybody have any clue as to when WebTools will be recompiled for vdb 5.6?
> Have need of good web integration with dbf's on 16-bit platform.
> 
Erik,

Inasmuch as the number of Win 3.1 users is becoming fewer and fewer each
month, I would not be surprised if WebTools for 5.6 is never released.  The
Component Builder was supposed to be re-compiled and released by Borland /
Inprise for some months and finally the source code alone was released. 
The decision to release the CB this way was apparently to let the
developers have a more flexible CB to work with.  They could change it,
customize it, make it into whatever their hearts desired.  Poppycock! 
Borland / Inprise has decided to go with the flow, head 'em and move 'em
out, and move on to 32-bit.  16-bit products are basically history and so
is peripheral support.  You can still get support for Borland's core dBase
products, but the add-ons which made Visual dBase a more attractive product
than products such as VFP are being lopped off of the list of products that
Borland / Inprise wants to support.  Plain and simple !   Perhaps the
WebTools will be released, but as source code, certainly not in Object
format.  If the WebTools were released in Object format, Borland / Inprise
would have to provide tech support on it.  That is not in the cards.

Steve Cartier

"Steven Cartier" <SteveCartier@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

>Borland / Inprise has decided to go with the flow, head 'em and move 'em
>out, and move on to 32-bit.  16-bit products are basically history and so
>is peripheral support.  You can still get support for Borland's core dBase
>products, but the add-ons which made Visual dBase a more attractive product
>than products such as VFP are being lopped off of the list of products that
>Borland / Inprise wants to support.  Plain and simple !   Perhaps the
>WebTools will be released, but as source code, certainly not in Object
>format.  If the WebTools were released in Object format, Borland / Inprise
>would have to provide tech support on it.  That is not in the cards.

Get off it. Please see the message I posted in response to Dan's
message.

Ken
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Ken Mayer [TeamB] <supportInfo@borland.com> wrote in article
<3632031f.5951218@forums.borland.com>...
> "Steven Cartier" <SteveCartier@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> 
> Get off it. Please see the message I posted in response to Dan's
> message.
> 
> Ken
Excuses, escuses, excuses !!  There have been so many reasons stated in the
past for not releasing WebTools and before that the CB that they are just
excuses for the truth.  Facts are facts!!!  Priority for these products is
too low on the totem pole to devote resources to them.  That is a fact !! 
So you get off it, Ken !!!

Steve Cartier

"Steven Cartier" <SteveCartier@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

>Excuses, escuses, excuses !!  There have been so many reasons stated in the
>past for not releasing WebTools and before that the CB that they are just
>excuses for the truth.  Facts are facts!!!  Priority for these products is
>too low on the totem pole to devote resources to them.  That is a fact !! 

The priorities are low. However, you have to consider that there is NO
MONEY IN IT for Inprise to do much with the 16 bit application
anymore. Get it? 

Ken
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http://www.mindspring.com/~hirschv/dbase/dbase.htm

On 24 Oct 1998 04:08:54 GMT, "Steven Cartier"
<SteveCartier@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

>Erik Denkers <edenkers@ktis.net> wrote in article
><70o1bi$mb95@forums.borland.com>...
>> Anybody have any clue as to when WebTools will be recompiled for vdb 5.6?
>> Have need of good web integration with dbf's on 16-bit platform.
>> 
>Erik,
>
>Inasmuch as the number of Win 3.1 users is becoming fewer and fewer each
>month, I would not be surprised if WebTools for 5.6 is never released.  
<snip>
>Steve Cartier

I've not had the need to use the web tools yet. 

Am I right in believing that the web server runs an app that gets its
data from tables. If that is the case, can the VdB7.01 Web Tools be
used to create the web server app, even if the app supplying the data
to the tables is in VdB5.6???

Just a thought.

Del

Ken Mayer [TeamB] <supportInfo@borland.com> wrote in article
<36335698.2118064@forums.borland.com>...
> The priorities are low. However, you have to consider that there is NO
> MONEY IN IT for Inprise to do much with the 16 bit application
> anymore. Get it? 
> 
> Ken

Ken,

Exactly!  So, the concept that it hasn't been done yet because people are
busy or someone is on vacation is hooey!  Borland / Inprise will at best
someday maybe release the soruce code just as they did with the CB for the
reason that they will not devote any more resources than ABSOLUTELY
NECESSARY.  THAT I got a long time ago.  That statement has not been
consistent with the replies given here regarding Web Tools.  Statements to
the effect that they will be available in "two weeks" ( from several months
ago );  "He is on vacation " ; " It is being worked on "...
It is much more appropriate for the developers to receive straight answers
to their questions rather than a smoke screen.  I am certainly not the
knower of all truth, but I can smell smoke.  

Steve Cartier



P.S. :  Ken, the opinions and frustrations expressed here are not directed
at you personally.  The lack of these tools in a 5.6, which were part of my
original VDB 5.5 package, has caused me to lose three different projects. 
This shortcoming, on which I bet part of my livelihood, has been more than
a sore spot for me.  VDB is a good product, but the peripheral support from
Borland / Inprise sucks!  

"Steven Cartier" <SteveCartier@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

>It is much more appropriate for the developers to receive straight answers
>to their questions rather than a smoke screen.  I am certainly not the
>knower of all truth, but I can smell smoke.  

I posted the information "as I know it". Unfortunately, the tech
support crew for Visual dBASE is *VERY VERY VERY* small (I don't know
numbers, but I know it's not very large) and they tend to be swamped,
because they are answering dBASE/DOS questions as well as VdBASE
questions. This means that any work done on the Web Tools will have to
be done when they have a few minutes here and there.

Ken
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Ken Mayer [TeamB] wrote:

> ...the last time a request to find out what
> was happening, the person working on it moved to another department;

He works in another department, but he still sits next to me.
He told me about this:

    http://www.inprise.com/VdBASE/webtools/.

Bill (Inprise)

"Bill W." <supportinfo@inprise.com> wrote:

>He works in another department, but he still sits next to me.
>He told me about this:
>
>    http://www.inprise.com/VdBASE/webtools/.
>

Bill -- (I realize you weren't around for this) -- this is the
compiled for 5.5 stuff, not the source code that we were supposed to
get months ago.

The folk who are using 5.6 need either a 5.6 re-compiled version (the
upgrade to 5.6 changed the way the .??o files were created, and they
are incompatible with 5.5 *.??O files -- in other words, the Delta
Point tools available at that site are NOT what folk need ...). 

We were told that John Frazier (no longer working with dBASE) had
assigned someone in the dBASE Tech Support crew to work through the
*source code*, clean it up (remove commented out code, and other
things), and make the *source code* available so it could be
recompiled by the users in 5.6.

So far, this seems to have disappeared (yet again) and the developers
still using 5.6 that need that ability have had to back up and use
5.5, some of them have probably given up on getting the source code,
and the rest are really impatient, as this was promised MONTHS ago.

Ken
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http://www.mindspring.com/~hirschv/dbase/dbase.htm

Ken Mayer [TeamB] wrote:
>We were told that John Frazier (no longer working with dBASE)
had
>assigned someone in the dBASE Tech Support crew to work through
the
>*source code*, clean it up (remove commented out code, and other
>things), and make the *source code* available so it could be
>recompiled by the users in 5.6.


How about instead of having someone at Inprise do anything,
(because it will never get done) just post the source code and
let the users work though it. Isn't it a product that Inprise
will not
make any money on or support anyway?

Rich...

Traker International wrote:
> How about ... just post the source code

Rich - That's really what it's mostly about.  What makes it 
complicated, as I understand it, is that the existing source 
code is _loaded_ with lots of stuff you don't really want to 
see and lots of stuff that Inprise and/or the developers don't 
want anyone else to see.

Once all the extraneous stuff is cleaned out, it's relatively 
simple.

-- Gary Thoenen (TeamB)

Gary Thoenen (TeamB) <teamb@opto-pps.com> wrote:

>Once all the extraneous stuff is cleaned out, it's relatively 
>simple.

Precisely.

Ken
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http://www.mindspring.com/~hirschv/dbase/dbase.htm

Purely out of curiousity, what kind of "stuff" might be in there?
Internal messages to other developers? Derogatory comments? 

Ken Mayer [TeamB] wrote:
> 
> Gary Thoenen (TeamB) <teamb@opto-pps.com> wrote:
> 
> >Once all the extraneous stuff is cleaned out, it's relatively
> >simple.
> 
> Precisely.
> 
> Ken
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"Robert W. Newman" <rnewman@mindspring.com> wrote:

>Purely out of curiousity, what kind of "stuff" might be in there?
>Internal messages to other developers? Derogatory comments? 

No idea. I haven't seen the source code. It could be testing code, it
could be beta references, it could be a ton of things. 

Ken
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http://www.mindspring.com/~hirschv/dbase/dbase.htm

Ken Mayer [TeamB] <supportInfo@borland.com> wrote in article
<3650420d.11254681@forums.borland.com>...
> "Bill W." <supportinfo@inprise.com> wrote:
> 
> >He works in another department, but he still sits next to me.
> >He told me about this:
> >
> >    http://www.inprise.com/VdBASE/webtools/.
> >
> 
> Bill -- (I realize you weren't around for this) -- this is the
> compiled for 5.5 stuff, not the source code that we were supposed to
> get months ago.
 <snip>

Ken,
Thank you very much for passing this on to Inprise.

Sincerely,
Steve Cartier

Ken Mayer [TeamB] wrote:

> Bill -- (I realize you weren't around for this) -- this is the
> compiled for 5.5 stuff, not the source code that we were supposed to
> get months ago.

Oops.  Thanks for the clarification, Ken.  I just posted what
John gave me, without looking at it too closely.  This was
just a misunderstanding, and was probably my fault.  I'll
look into it again.

Bill (Inprise)

"Bill W." <bwolverton@inprise.com> wrote:

>Oops.  Thanks for the clarification, Ken.  I just posted what
>John gave me, without looking at it too closely.  This was
>just a misunderstanding, and was probably my fault.  I'll
>look into it again.

Thanks. John *should* know the score, really. He's the one that
assigned the project to whomever was going to work on it ...

Ken
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http://www.mindspring.com/~hirschv/dbase/dbase.htm

I think it's great that some people seem to know and even care about
this issue.  However, we still don't have any clue as to when these tools
will be made available.

Erik


>The folk who are using 5.6 need either a 5.6 re-compiled version (the
>upgrade to 5.6 changed the way the .??o files were created, and they
>are incompatible with 5.5 *.??O files -- in other words, the Delta
>Point tools available at that site are NOT what folk need ...).


>So far, this seems to have disappeared (yet again) and the developers
>still using 5.6 that need that ability have had to back up and use
>5.5, some of them have probably given up on getting the source code,
>and the rest are really impatient, as this was promised MONTHS ago.
>

"Erik Denkers" <edenkers@ktis.net> wrote:

>I think it's great that some people seem to know and even care about
>this issue.  However, we still don't have any clue as to when these tools
>will be made available.

No, we don't, but I can say with a clear conscience that it will be
fairly soon. I would have tried to look at them but I don't use them
and am not a good candidate to have any idea what to look for.

Ken
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