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In article <tarrall.724192134@qso> tarrall@Colorado.EDU (Captain Neon) writes:
>>No, simply that no one be arrested until the police have _some_
>>evidence of guilt. Sobriety check points stop everyone, without
>>any evidence of their guilt, and require them to prove their
>>innocence.

>Basically, we as a society have built and paid for those roads, and
>we've said that you have to be ready to prove that you're not
>intoxicated if you want to drive your vehicle on them.  It's as simple
>as that.

So, essentially, you don't mind the government violating people's 
rights, if the people are a limited group (drivers on public roads)
which are taking advantage of a government program (which, in 
theroy, they could avoid doing). Let's see where that logic takes
us...

>>Do you feel the same way about mandatory drug test for everyone? Certainly
>>the principle is the same.

>A mandatory drug test for everyone would certainly be a violation of
>your rights...  This isn't mandatory.  You don't have to drive, and
>has been stated many times, that's *not* violating your right to free
>travel.

From your remarks, can I assume you support mandatory drug tests for
all students in public schools and colleges, or even 
schools that receive some government grant money? After all, you don't
have to attend such a school and if you are going to benefit from
government-funded education (by your logic) isn't it reasonable for
the government to require that you prove you don't use drugs?
Similarly, what about employees of any company working on a government
contract, any employee of the government, anyone receiving welfare,
medicare, social security, unemployment payments, etc...? These are
all limited groups, which one can theoretically avoid being part
of, who are taking advantage of a government program. That seems to
be your criteria for sobriety check points, so how do you feel about
applying it to other things?

                                                Frank Crary
                                                CU Boulder