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Gary Strand <gary@titanic.cgd.ucar.edu> wrote:
>bw> Bryce Wilcox
>gs> Gary Strand
>
>gs> How am I to judge your claims about the PKers versus their claims about
>    gays and (say) pro-abortion-rights folks?
>
>bw> Well, if I were you I would start by examining the substance of the argu-
>    ment.
>
>  So far, you haven't presented any argument except that you're prejudiced
>  against the PKers.

I would assume that you know something about the issues *besides* things
which I have said in this thread.
  I suggest that you consider the relevant facts.

[arguments deleted]

>  The fearmongering about the PKers, and the fearmongering over gays, is
>  ridiculous. Those who fear the "Religious Right" are as silly as those
>  who fear gays recruiting kids from elementary schools. Both have their
>  unsavory elements, to be sure, but since when is someone else's personal
>  beliefs a matter for you to decide? So long as no real harm comes to you,
>  what difference does it make? The PKers are not some monolithic group
>  out to seize political power; they're men who want to live their lives
>  as good Christians.

Hm.  Are you unaware of the Religious Right's political agenda?  Or of
its growing influence?  Do you think that having public schools teach
Creationism, or making sex between members of the same gender illegal
is harmless?
  The PK'ers are a group of people who explicitly and actively advocate
the philosophy which leads to laws such as those.  As such they are
dangerous.  To me, to my friends, to my descendants, and to many many
other people.  They need to be argued against and denounced.


> You might object to that; but you have no more right
>  to dictate how they live than they have to dictate how you live.

Have I suggested that I desired to dictate how anyone lived?

>  Again, there hasn't been much illumination of why you hate the PKers. All
>  these alleged faults of theirs are present in most everyone. I assume
>  you don't hate most everyone.

Just for the record, I do not hate the Promise Keepers.

My father is one, and I'm going to eat breakfast with him in 9 hours.
If he asks, I will tell him that I believe his ideas are mistaken and
harmful.

Bryce
wilcoxb@cs.colorado.edu