🚀 go-pugleaf

Let them build a shooting range out there.  As long as they open it to the
public, I will support it.  I hate driving out to that range in Erie, the range
master always looks like he put the bottle down at 7 in the morning.  I just hope
they put the cashier a little closer than the half mile you have to walk at the
Erie locale.  However, I will miss shooting at the airplanes, I guess I can make
up for it with wild life, hikers, and bikers. ; )

KPD

Scott Weiser wrote:

> On Wed, 22 Apr 1998 14:46:27 -0600, "wMoore" <anon4211@nyx.cs.du.edu>
> wrote:
>
> >If you are like me and didn't know the Boulder Police/Sheriff's department
> >and the Department of Commerce are planning to put a Firing/Gun Range on top
> >of Table Mountain, north of Haystack, at 53rd and Nelson Road....Wake Up!!!
>
> Asleep at the switch, eh?
>
> >The quiet gravel roads that make the most incredible rural place to bike and
> >run around Table Mountain are about to be radically transformed.  George Epp
> >wants to close and secure the top of Table Mountain for use as a huge gun
> >range for fedreal, local and state officers to practice automatic weapon
> >firing, swat and other weapons and war-game tactics, and he wants to have
> >the place open all hours (closing at 10:00 PM won't do, he says) so officers
> >can conduct realistic night maneuvers shooting long into the night!!!
>
> Sounds like a very good idea to me....the police *do* need a place to
> train, after all...or do you prefer your SWAT snipers to be
> untrained....think about that as he lines up to take the shot which
> will save *your* life by the width of a dime...
>
> So, you'll just have to get used to the sound of gunfire as you
> jog...or bike...or go somewhere else.  You *don't * get to reserve the
> *whole* county for your personal pleasure, you know....
>
> >This area has been untouched since the front range was settled 120 years ago
> >and is home to a special island of wildlife, including deer, mountain lyon,
> >coyote, fox, golden and bald eagles, large horned owls, redtail hawks,
> >racoons, skunks, prairie dogs and much more.
>
> Excuse me?  It's a barren gravel plain covered with diffuse knapweed
> and has been used to mine gravel, not to mention the fact that there
> are a couple of large radiotelescopes on the top....
>
> It's an ideal site for a shooting range, and I for one applaud Sheriff
> Epp's plan....just as I raise a cheer for his plan to house weekend
> jail inmates in tents at the jail....as someone else said, "if it's
> good enough for our soldiers, it's good enough for convicts."
>
> >If you have ever been in a foot or bike race that had its route through this
> >great area north of town, you know what I'm talking about.
>
> So change the route....
>
> >
> >Please speak to your friends and get everyone you can to write to the
> >Boulder County Land Development Board, the County Commissioners, and any
> >people you know at the Dept. of Commerce (NIST, NOAA) to tell them that this
> >is a really stupid idea!!!
>
> Got a better idea, or are you just carping?  I'll write in in support,
> thanks for bringing it to the group's attention.
>
> >
> >Of course, since this new range will be open to the public if Epp has his
> >way, hey everybody can come out and shoot all day long and have a ball.
> >Maybe even plunk away at the wildlife before it knows what's
> >happening...ooo, that would be cool.
>
> No, it would be illegal, and it won't happen, you're just trying to
> demonize shooting sports, nothing more.
>
> >If you don't mind that the county will have to pay hundreds of thousands of
> >dollars to build this range to match what the county already has invested in
> >the current range near the Erie Airport on Colo 7, and you don't mind
> >high-velocity military-grade rounds flying around as you attempt to fly over
> >this favorite GA private pilot flight path along the beautiful foothills,
> >and frankly none of the reasons I've mentioned concern you, never mind this
> >message.
>
> Okay, never minding....
>
> The shooting range near Erie is a private shooting park, it does not
> belong to the county.  The extent of the county's investment in it is
> some dirt work and target turners, and a few benches, which can easily
> be moved to the new facility.
>
> There is *absolutely no evidence* that stray rounds pose *any* danger
> whatsoever to either the neighbors or to aircraft, and there has
> *never* been an incident, despite the fact that the current private
> range facility is *less than a mile* from the Erie Airpark, and is
> right under the approach path for one of the runways.
>
> You're hysterical amphigory is duly noted.
>
> >Otherwise, wake up like I did this week and start to find out what you can
> >do to stop this madness.
>
> Do you have an alternative or are you just NIMBYing?
>
> >With any luck, Epp's plans are not already a slam-dunk, done-deal, yet
> >another reason to sigh about Boulder's ongoing bureaucratic bungles and
> >swell community planning ideas--like closing neighborhood schools in favor
> >of the Wal-Mart model of education for elementary and middle-school aged
> >children.
> >
> >I'll post more specifics about who to contact later.  Right now I just need
> >to steam in my corner until I can calm down.
>
> Sounds like another case of runaway NIMBYism to me.
>
> The police need a training facility, and shooting sports are perfectly
> legitimate recreational activities, and there are few other suitable
> sites left in the county, so, instead of just whining, can you come up
> with an alternative site?    And no, the shooting park on Highway 7 is
> not suitable for modern police tactical training.
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott Weiser
>
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