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In article <biggus-1406960152160001@tele-anx0218.colorado.edu>, Jeff wrote:
>In article <4poak3$4ts@news2.ios.com>, hldpub@gramercy.ios.com (Hector
>Davila) wrote:

>>   Is your computer being monitored by someone else?
>>  Is someone using your computer without your knowledge?
>>   Is your mate chatting online with someone else?
>>  Are your children chatting online with the wrong crowd?

>I realize that you're just selling a product, but to potential customers:
>
>   Reasons #1 and #2 are the only legit ones.

>   Reason #3 disgusts me. Do you trust your mate? No? Then your problems
>   are already much bigger than worrying about some "chat group". This is
>   on a par with hiring a private eye.

I agree.

Paranoia is never helpful.  No isolation allows you to chase down a husband
or a wife to make sure you have complete control over their life... not to 
mention that a husband or wife is half of you... and how can someone control
one half of themselves by the emotional impulse of the other half?

They do it only by destroying the humanity of the controlled side!

>   Reason #4 equally disgusts me. "Wrong crowd"? What the hell kind of a
>   parent spies on their kids. 

Gee.  You're right.  Let 'em get hit on by druggies, seduced by anyone, 
"taught" everything without a single concern.  (Okay, true spying is insane).

>   If they come from a loving family and have
>   a stable, secure background, then the crowd that they hang with will
>   never make a difference. 

Nope.  That's just not true.  There is no "Nice Background" that fixes all 
problems.  Frankly kids can steal cars even if they've been given one.

We have as much control over them (after a point...) as they do over us.

> They may end up being the positive influence
>   in that circle of friends.

They may also push him off a bridge, or get her pregnant.  (Oh yeh... not 
YOUR kid.. never never).

I respect your "open heart" and your trust, but there *are* such things as
information crimes: lies that injure sometimes forever.    I've been on the 
intenret to know the power of the written word is not a joke because its
in a computer.  America's 1st Amendment hopes that people will avoid 
government censorship.. it doesn't imply all information is always healthy.

There *certainly* are people whose Neat-Feeling/Fun Hobbies are going to
recruit without a nice socratic dialogue.  "Do it with her/him."  "Smoke
this.  Inject that."  "They just should have been more careful.  We had
to rob 'em."   I hung out in east San Jose and that attitude was rife
in 6th grade... even though no guns and knives were used then, in 81.

The real world is not as nice as the internet.
Life is far less like an amusement park than a natural park:

	We can freeze to death in loneliness, starve to death in
	self-neglect, die of dehydration when thoughtless, fall off
	cliffs that we miss in the dark, and we can certainly yell
	ourselves hoarse trying to find a rescuer who knows how to get
	us out of whatever mess.  Sometimes there is no real "eject"
	button, cuz you've ruined the respect your parents had, and
	they're now overprotective ogres.. instead of confident and
	hopeful tutors.

> Also, fear mongering is no way to sell a product.
> The first two reason were respectable, but there's no
> point in becoming one of those feed-off-of-other's-fears
> companies. There are enough of those.

The solution is the joke.  Not the fears.

>-- 
>Jeff biggus@colorado.edu
>http://ucsu.colorado.edu/~biggus
>
>      "But where danger is, grows
>       The saving power also."

The saving power does not save according to the danger.  
It saves according to the use of the power.