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In article <5im2hb$sqg@nyx10.cs.du.edu>,
   Paul Ciszek <pciszek at nyx dot net> wrote:
>Melissa@asupernet.com (Melissa Rhiannon Brookstone) writes:
>
>>One interesting point in this is that someone told me that Colorado 
>>doesn't have a good working definition of what male and female are 
anyway. 
>>This would be interesting to find out more about. As for the late part 
of 
>>your question, this is not considered cosmetic surgery by any medical 
>>authorities on the subject. It was a poor attempt that some insurance 
>>companies used to try to weasel out of paying for it at one time, but it 
>>hasn't worked very well for them either. Cosmetics are generally 
>>considered things visible to the public or on the surface. Whether 
someone 
>>has one set of sex organs or another is certainly more profound than 
that. 
>>I'm now an anatomical woman with breasts and a vagina. So the courts 
have 
>>pretty much ruled that not to be cosmetic. 

>But your altered genitalia are "on the surface". 

Uh...beg your pardon? Since when is a vagina on the surface? And my body 
fat has redistributed now so that even my hips are wider than any male 
you've ever seen or are likely too. People see I'm a woman from 50 feet 
away. I even get called out to as "ma'am" from people ten feet behind me 
who can't even see my face. 

> You lack several internal
>organs that you need to be *anatomically* female (anatomy does not stop
>at the skin),

So do many genetically born women. Do they lose the title if they need a 
hysterectomy or dual mastectomies for example?

If a man loses his genitals in a motorcycle accident and still identifies 
as a man, is he still a man? 

What's between the ears is much more important than what's between the 
legs.

> I doubt they made any drastic changes to your pelvis 

A vagina isn't a drastic change? :-)

>(I'm
>talking about the bone, not any filler that can be used to change 
apparent
>shapes) and if you were to enter the Olympics as a woman, you would be
>disqualified. 

Ok, so I can't enter the Olympics. Darn. :-)

> Until science perfects trans-gender cloning ala John Varley,
>surgery can only transform a man or a woman into a man or a woman who has
>had lots of surgery.  (Clarification: John Varley wrote stories ABOUT
>trans-gender cloning and mind-transfer.  I understand Heinlein did too,
>but I have read as little late Heinlein as possible.)

There's virtually no difference unless you look at things at the genetic 
levels and no one ever does, unless you try out for the Olympics. And then 
there have been something like 17 different genetic genders that I 
mentioned before too, so they might be disqualifying women who have what 
look like male genes, but the women were even born female. It's a 
confusing thing that the world just hasn't figured out how to really deal 
with yet, and they're doing a pretty poor job with.




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