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Re: An even better idea - blessed are those that leave( alt.philosophy.zen,alt.religion.buddhism.tibetan,alt.zen,talk.religion.b...

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From: Tang Huyen
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 00:00
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Dirk Bruere wrote:

Sean White: <<I've had it with the various fringe psychos on these newsgroups.
Thankyou to all those people I've befriended on these groups - I'll keep in
touch privately if I may, and tell you if I've found a better newsgroup that
perhaps some of you may want to drop in to. I'm leaving.>>

Tang: <<Keep it that way, which you didn't do the previous times you announced
your quitting, dear.>>

Dirk: <<If you are so uncharitable, I would rather that you left.
I don't defend you or your conduct.
If I were in Evelyns position you would have some serious trouble with me, and
maybe (in the end) fewer teeth.
I just don't like mob hysteria and ineffective calls for censorship.
The point is that this is an open forum, partly designed for non Buddhists to
get a feel for what's going on, and as such attracts the usual dubious people.
You should evaluate your contribution more carefully, and Sean should realise
that preaching to the converted is not the function of alt.zen (not sure of the
others...).>>

My point is that we are all adults, are responsible for ourselves, and should
keep our words, Dirk.

In the thirteen months that I have been in Buddhist NGs, I have seen so many
people announce their quitting, then come right back, as if they were babies who
didn't know what they want to do from one moment to the next.

In the case of Alaya/Sean, he announced that he put me on killfile, then I
suddenly saw his replies to my posts (direct replies, not replies to replies to
my posts), back and forth a few times, just as he announced his quitting a few
times and came back soon after each time.

If people announce that they quit (Evelyn so did this Monday morning), they
should quit, and if they want to continue, they shouldn't announce their
quitting. If they are unsure, they should not announce anything until they have
definitely made up their mind, which shouldn't be a difficult matter for
*adults* to do. If they can't be depended on for something as simple as that,
what else can they be depended on?

What good is it to talk about deep things like kensho, satori, siddhi, samadhi,
secret transmission, etc. if they don't even know what they want to do *right on
the surface*? Why act like capricious zombies?

Tang Huyen
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Subject: Re: An even better idea - blessed are those that leave( alt.philosophy.zen,alt.religion.buddhism.tibetan,alt.zen,talk.religion.buddhism)
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