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ZnWlkr wrote:

Mike Austin: <<Dear friends,

Noting that people can get a little carried away in their discussions on these
newsgroups,  I thought a post about delusions - particularly their causes towards
the end of this post - might be of interest.>>

Tang: <<I know that I can get carried away, but as you yourself wrote two days
ago, I also know how and when to stop: "There was at least one occasion when I
think Tang tried to push my buttons, but I didn't respond. I guess that was no
fun, or otherwise led nowhere, so he desisted."

In my reply to that post of yours, I quoted Steven Lightfoot: "If Tang can get
your goat, what does that say about your goat?    I mean if you really really had
something deep and wise to share with someone, who could stop you?" In "Re:
Gangster Tang drops Queensbury Rules", 05/18/1999.

For all I know, I don't let anybody get my goat, and as Steven said, if Tang can
get your goat, what does that say about your goat? And as he went on to add, if
you really really had something deep and wise to share with someone, who could
stop you?

I have *never* threatened anybody, even less a woman, with physical violence. I
have chided and criticised other posters, but that was and is my limit.>>

ZnWlkr: <<So it seems who cries intimidation turns out to be the intimidator?
Ahh, but then existence is not seperable from itself! The more we try to gain
control by resisting control, the more we become controlled. Tis simply the way
it works... try to control the river and you will become controlled, and
eventually be driven to do what you would not otherwise as options become more
and more limited, and the stress within our awareness increases.

Holding to 'free will' does anything but liberate awareness, since the use of it
hold's together the bars of self-division which make up the cage that our
awareness eventually finds itself struggling to get out of. Existence is movement
- there is nothing existing stationary or stagnant, really... best to let go
(certainly of a past which is not!), stay going with the flow.

Seeking unrestricted choosing, a individual ultimately wishes dominate the rest
of existence, doing what it will!

Because the idea of complete freedom to choose our actions and the idea of
completely determined movement require that there exist some separation of a
individual's awareness from the rest of existence, it can't be actually so! Such
requires that existence in some way be separated from itself- such a situation
does not exist.

Imagine, "back off or I'll blow you away" is now supported, defended even, in
Buddhist circles?  Man! Nothing stays the same!

"What is equanimity? It is the equality of everything from self to liberation -
both self and liberation are void. Although both pleasure and
pain are abandoned when Buddha-nature is fully realized, there is then no
sacrifice of compassion for all living beings living in the bad migrations. Thus,
recognizing in his own suffering the infinite sufferings of these living beings,
the bodhisattva correctly contemplates these living beings and resolves to cure
all sicknesses. As for these living beings, there is nothing to be applied, and
there is nothing to be removed; one has only to teach them the Dharma for them to
realize the basis from which sicknesses arise. What is this basis? It is
object-perception. Insofar as apparent objects are perceived, they are the basis
of sickness. What things are perceived as objects? The three realms of existence
are perceived as objects. What is the thorough understanding of the basic,
apparent object? It is its nonperception, as no objects exist ultimately. What is
nonperception? The internal subject and the external object are not perceived
dualistically. Therefore, it is called nonperception." VIMALAKIRTI NIRDESA
SUTRA>>

ZnWlkr: <<Tang,

Once again I made reply to your post which was more so thoughts intended for the
previous post - sorry. Actually my thoughts are all swirling to Evelyn tonight -
but don't think she could catch the drift, so, quess they're all predestined to
you after all? (heheh, perfect order, allways)>>

Thank you, ZnWlkr, for your feedback.

As you say: <<Imagine, "back off or I'll blow you away" is now supported,
defended even, in Buddhist circles?  Man! Nothing stays the same!>>

The Vimalakirti Nirdesa is a favourite of mine, though I rarely quote it, because
it is too deep and radical.

Tang Huyen