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Article #1024Re: What about the Day after Tomorrow?
From: DonQuijote1954
Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 03:17
Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 03:17
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Thank you for your comments. I agree with you. Rather one single event bringing about change, it would take a comprehensive approach. But WE NEED A POLITICAL WILL first. Regretably, the political will goes toward consumption, as proven by the recent $.08 tax break on gasoline. So the starving of the dinosaur may come as the result of some major world event--something we are totally and absolutely unprepared for. How much better it would be to wean the oil-addicted dinosaur over a period of time... ;) AJFeeney48@yahoo.com (JohnAndrew) wrote in message news:<2fcaf67c.0408032004.47be4ab1@posting.google.com>... > Bravo for this post. My great grandfather was a staunch Republican > too, and he'd agree. For Americans with 4% of the world's > population to squander 25% of the world's > limited oil supply, as if there's no tomorrow, is immoral > from a social justice perspective, and from a political and > an environmental perspective, it's insane. > > However, higher gas prices ALONE will not be enough. If we > just let gas and oil prices rise, one thing we'll do is encourage > the global energy industry to produce a lot more fossil fuels. > It's not unthinkable that this could then lead to a temporary DROP > in energy prices again, and the sales of more SUVs and Hummers. > > This sounds paradoxical, but it is pretty much what happened > in the early 1980s when world oil prices were soaring and the US > had just decontrolled the oil industry - thanks to a 1978 decision by > the Carter administration, oddly enough, and not the Reaganites. > > Especially with Iraq and Iran engaged in a bitter war, world oil > prices in the early 1980s soared to something like $27 a barrel or > more, then suddenly plunged in 1985 to roughly $13/barrel. It > wasn't global scarcities or global surpluses that did this, but > the vagaries of Middle East politics and disagreements within OPEC. > > But in any case, "energy conservation" powered by high prices suddenly > became un-economic, big cars started to come back into fashion, and > the US embarked on the trend towards gas-guzzling SUVs that we see today. > > Given the high degree of oligopoly and global cooperation/conflict > that characterizes the global oil market, relying on price trends > alone to promote conservation is a mistake. Higher prices, taken > by themselves, help the oil companies to boost their revenues > and their power, which may not be that good for the environment. > > They also screw the poor and those living on fixed incomes, > and they don't guarantee that private enterprise and government > will make the large investments needed -- in mass transit and > in residential housing patterns, for example -- to make a "green" > and sustainable energy future possible. > > So if we do embrace higher energy prices, let's make damned sure > that there are safeguards put in place to keep lower-income people > from being ruined in the process -- if only because we don't want > them being mobilized against "environmental elitists" by the > corporate polluters and amoral economic conservatives of the future. > > Meanwhile, let's use the power of government to make other > essential changes as well -- more public investment in mass > transit systems, higher fuel efficiency standards for new > cars mandated by law, higher federally mandated standards for > the energy efficiciency of large appliances, and maybe some > government-funded pilot projects on making it easier for people > to live near where they shop and work. > > Federal subsidies for promising new alternative energy technologies > and tax breaks for "green" alternative energy development would be good, > too. > > When these measures are combined with higher fuel prices, they > might enable American society to make use of some "market mechanisms" > to promote better energy policies -- but without becoming slaves > of a so-called "free market" in energy that are largely controlled > by the largest corporations on earth, and not by the average individual.
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