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Enough Already wrote:
> 
> The Real Bev <bashley@myrealbox.com> wrote: 
> > Enough Already wrote:
> >
> > > It should be clear that the root cause of traffic jams, water
> > > shortages and farmland\wilderness destruction is relentless population
> > > growth. In the long run we don't need more roads, houses, dams and
> > > power plants; we need more birth control and less immigration to stop
> > > the never-ending consumption that people mistake for "progress."
> >
> > OK.  So how many immigrants does each of us native-born Americans get to
> > shoot?  The number here should be large enough to include shooting a
> > number sufficient to account for the excess births, which are a lot
> > harder to deal with.  The big problem, as you may have already guessed,
> > is deciding who is actually entitled to give birth...
> 
> I wish you wouldn't inject the word "shoot," since it enforces the
> ignorant stereotype among growth-addicts that "zero growth" means
> active removal of existing people. NPG.ORG suggests that a net
> population _reduction_ can be achieved with only birth control, given
> enough time.

And assuming no immigration, of course.  With effective birth control
you can drive the birth rate and hence the population to zero, but
unless you deal with immigration you've just changed the names on the
vehicle registrations.  
 
> > > Yes, we do need to rebuild our infrastructure where it's in disrepair,
> > > but let's not confuse that with a pyramid scheme of endless growth to
> > > feed an unnaturally large population...
> >
> > Whatever.  It may, however, be noted that the freeways are wonderful as
> > long as you don't drive them during rush hour.  Are you sure you aren't
> > a mouthpiece for the stop-the-710 forces in South Pasadena?
> 
> It doesn't sound like you know what you really stand for. I don't live
> in L.A. but I've seen enough of it and the Bay Area to know that
> building more and more roads has not worked and never will. I hope
> you're not claiming that building the 710 will fix the core problem?

I'm not interested in the core problem, if there indeed is one beyond
overpopulation.  I'm interested in being able to drive to my mom's house
11 miles away faster than I can ride it on a bicycle.  I think it would
be extraordinarily cool if there were a way to get from
Monrovia/Arcadia/Pasadena to Temple city/Alhambra/Monterey Park and
points south without going out to Azusa or into Los Angeles and without
having to drive over the increasingly "traffic-calmed" residential
arterials for which there is no alternative whatsoever.

> If any other species behaved like Man we'd call it a plague.

Successful species are good at what they do, until they do it so well
they starve themselves to death or get exterminated by something else.  

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Cheers,
Bev
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