🚀 go-pugleaf

On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 20:31:50 -0700, The Real Bev
<bashley@myrealbox.com> wrote:

>Enough Already wrote:
>> 
>> The Real Bev <bashley@myrealbox.com> wrote: 
>> > Enough Already wrote:
>> >
>> > > It should be clear that the root cause of traffic jams, water
>> > > shortages and farmland\wilderness destruction is relentless population
>> > > growth. In the long run we don't need more roads, houses, dams and
>> > > power plants; we need more birth control and less immigration to stop
>> > > the never-ending consumption that people mistake for "progress."
>> >
>> > OK.  So how many immigrants does each of us native-born Americans get to
>> > shoot?  The number here should be large enough to include shooting a
>> > number sufficient to account for the excess births, which are a lot
>> > harder to deal with.  The big problem, as you may have already guessed,
>> > is deciding who is actually entitled to give birth...
>> 
>> I wish you wouldn't inject the word "shoot," since it enforces the
>> ignorant stereotype among growth-addicts that "zero growth" means
>> active removal of existing people. NPG.ORG suggests that a net
>> population _reduction_ can be achieved with only birth control, given
>> enough time.
>
>And assuming no immigration, of course.  With effective birth control
>you can drive the birth rate and hence the population to zero, but
>unless you deal with immigration you've just changed the names on the
>vehicle registrations.  

In fact, native Californians don't have enough kids to replace
themselves from one generation to the next. Were it not for
immigration, and US internal migration, the population of California
would be declining. That would be nice.

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Al Moore