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Re: Rebuildca.org promotes growth-addiction in California

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From: Enough Already
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 02:04
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The Real Bev <bashley@myrealbox.com> wrote in message news:<40D91CDD.ECA0CC34@myrealbox.com>...

> Enough Already wrote:
>  
> > It should be clear that the root cause of traffic jams, water
> > shortages and farmland\wilderness destruction is relentless population
> > growth. In the long run we don't need more roads, houses, dams and
> > power plants; we need more birth control and less immigration to stop
> > the never-ending consumption that people mistake for "progress."
> 
> OK.  So how many immigrants does each of us native-born Americans get to
> shoot?  The number here should be large enough to include shooting a
> number sufficient to account for the excess births, which are a lot
> harder to deal with.  The big problem, as you may have already guessed,
> is deciding who is actually entitled to give birth... 

I wish you wouldn't inject the word "shoot," since it enforces the
ignorant stereotype among growth-addicts that "zero growth" means
active removal of existing people. NPG.ORG suggests that a net
population _reduction_ can be achieved with only birth control, given
enough time.
 
> > Yes, we do need to rebuild our infrastructure where it's in disrepair,
> > but let's not confuse that with a pyramid scheme of endless growth to
> > feed an unnaturally large population...
> 
> Whatever.  It may, however, be noted that the freeways are wonderful as
> long as you don't drive them during rush hour.  Are you sure you aren't
> a mouthpiece for the stop-the-710 forces in South Pasadena?

It doesn't sound like you know what you really stand for. I don't live
in L.A. but I've seen enough of it and the Bay Area to know that
building more and more roads has not worked and never will. I hope
you're not claiming that building the 710 will fix the core problem?

But the folks at rebuildca.org don't care as long as jobs are created
in the construction sector. The trade relies far too much on
population growth and never questions the sanity of what feeds it. It
should become a maintenance or replacement (of worn out buildings)
industry, not a perpetual expansion business. Housing starts should be
de-listed as a leading economic indicator since they're really just
indicators of wilderness destruction, water depletion and sprawl.

E.A.

http://enough_already.tripod.com/
If any other species behaved like Man we'd call it a plague.
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Subject: Re: Rebuildca.org promotes growth-addiction in California
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