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Article #1178Re: Is man the only animal that hates Nature?
From: Tim
Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 23:37
Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 23:37
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donquijote1111@yahoo.com (Don Quijote) wrote in message news:<d82348eb.0312291003.5ec90bc5@posting.google.com>... > I have a hard time telling of another animal who hates Nature so much. > Other species have learned to live with it, but we sure are > relentlessly assaulting the bounty of Nature, almost with a passion... All animals hate nature. Otherwise, they'd happily plant seeds and wouldn't eat, and would be happy to die, so as to feed another generation. Most animals fight for survival, many fight for territory, many fight for sport, and some lifeforms are even victorious by not appearing to fight at all. Every animal that is remotely sentient will always want more than it has -- greed and envy are natural instincts throughout the wild kingdom. Heck, even plants spend so much energy following the warmth and light of the sun, and spend so much of their resources fighting gravity, just to make other plants that are doomed to the same struggles. Nature has already dealt the cards and life, and all things that every life form has come to know as reality and eternal has long ago been slated, by nature, to be slowly annihilated. You seem to not recognize nature's true face. Nature, you might say, hates nature itself. Comets & meteorites, tidal waves, volcanos, fires, hurricanes, droughts, sun-spots, supernova and so on are likely contributors to biomass destruction on scales larger than humanity could ever hope to compete with. Imagine those huge California or Utah fires that raged out of control in the last few years. Those happened all the time in millenia past, and wouldn't it be sensible to assume that a great many of those dwarfed the modern fires. It is calculated that the supervolcano beneath Yellowstone would erupt with the force of 2500 Mt Saint Helens, and Mount St Helens exploded with the force of 25,000 Hiroshima atomic bombs. Such eruptions seem to occur regularly ever 600,000 years in Yellowstone. And that eruption is still smaller in comparison to the Toba eruption of about 75,000 years ago (much sooner, and more frequent in occurance), which unleashed 2800 cubic kilometers compared to the weak Mt St Helens event which released about 1 cubic kilometer of ejecta. Now, if you assume that there was even a remotely similar bio-density to that found in the rain-forests in some other portions of the Earth affected by these incidents, then you must realize that killing off 70% of the animals larger than a large dog for an area twice the size of Utah, then you'd have to realize that MANY species disappeared. It would only be logical because people are presuming that destroying 500 square acres of rain-forest causes the extinction of multiple species. Next, you have virii and bacteria, which are not intelligent hunters. They have no qualms about killing off every one of their hosts, even if it means the death of entire species. Maybe some, in the specie will be immune, but the virus and bacteria adapt too, so even if the original host specie dies, then other species can become targets. A good example is the flu virus vector from birds, to pigs, onto humans. It would be folly to assume that plagues hadn't struck animals which depleted their numbers only to be finished off by predators. Some naturalists try to stick their heads in the sand and claim that extinction by "natural" predation is impossible. Several plausible situations can be raised which would cause such an extinction without huge swings in ecological behaviours. It's probably natural that such extinctions occur often, but that it's not important... Like losing a three-striped barn-bass (not a real animal) -- nobody saw one before in that part of the woods, and when the last one died, nobody realized it. This seems to have been a factor in the Paleozoic era which contributed to huge increases in the extinction rates. Nature, by virtue of her (anthropomorphisizing here / or would it be gynocomorphisizing?) very essence does not seek equilibrium and it is not a creative force. Nature is inherently destructive. You never see a tornado build a forest of trees, and you don't see a platypus born at the moment a meteor strikes the breadth of a mountain. The old life-systems permitted huge beasts and horrendous extremes of wild activity. Earth, even without mankind, would not now accomodate a planet replete with dinosaurs. The food chain is tool "tall" to permit those creatures, en masse. The very laws of entropy mean that everything will die, and at some point, nature will be quite universally void of all life and eventually, all matter itself as substances lose cohesion and then again when atoms decay back into their constituent particles and drift apart into the cold lifeless void of space. In a few hundred billion years, nature will snuff out the last star and the last hope for life in the universe will die with it. That's the basics of "nature". She isn't loving, she isn't forgiving, she ABHORS equilibrium. She thrives on, cultivates and enforces entropy and destruction. Mankind, although he too fights nature, is the first lifeform on this planet with a shot at actually seriously delaying the inevitable, or at least the first to be able to come to terms with nature's rules (I am not saying that we understand nature in all her simplicity or complexity -- just that we COULD possibly understand it in a way that no creature from this planet ever has). Mankind is just doing (slightly more successfully) what every other creature on the planet has wanted, tried and failed to do.
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