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Re: Save the Planet and the Economy at the Same time!

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From: John McCarthy
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1993 14:58
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Mr. Berry is mistaken in his belief that the whole world cannot sustain
itself at a U.S. living standard including personal transportation.

He is also mistaken in his belief that the high U.S., European and
Japanese living standards depend on exploiting the resources of
the poor underdeveloped countries.

We are exploiting cheap foreign labor, and if we couldn't do so,
there would be a small reduction in living standards.  However,
1.2 billion Chinese have just recently made themselves available
for exploitation, this being better than their other alternatives.

Moreover, there is progress.  30 years ago, we exploited South
Koreans who worked for $50 a month.  Just recently, the South
Koreans started to exploit the Vietnamese who now get $50 per
month, whereas South Koreans get $1500.  (The South Korean
company Daewoo is putting up a factory in Hanoi to manufacture
television picture tubes.)

As I have done in the past, I am willing to take any two resources
Mr. Berry can mention and show how they are available or substitutable
on a sufficient scale for the world to reach U.S. standards.

The problem is that probably that Mr. Berry has been misinformed by
his teachers and other environmentalist, anti-civilization
propagandists.
--
John McCarthy, Computer Science Department, Stanford, CA 94305
*
He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense.
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Subject: Re: Save the Planet and the Economy at the Same time!
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