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>>>>> "Schleeter" == Mike Schleeter <mschleeter@mayfield.hp.com> writes:
In article <4jhbb8$g58@hprcl192.mayfield.hp.com> Mike Schleeter <mschleeter@mayfield.hp.com> writes:


    Schleeter> lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell) wrote:

    Schleeter> Please read the entire constitution, in particular the
    Schleeter> part of about life and liberty...

"Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" (the quotation
Mr. Schleeter is apparently remembering) is from the Declaration of
Independence.  "Life, liberty, [and property]" appears in the 14th
Amendment (Due Process) but I don't see how that would apply.

    Schleeter> In addition the laws that currently allow hunting
    Schleeter> for deer, wild pigs, assorted birds and other animals
    Schleeter> in the state..

The government giveth and the government taketh away.  Unless hunting
is a *right*, it is a privilege and may be taken away be future
legislation.

    Schleeter> How many times must it be pointed out that it is wholly
    Schleeter> natural for a being to use its superior intelligence to
    Schleeter> accomplish any [purpose? -m] it chooses. It is natural
    Schleeter> for men to make weapons to facilitate the process of
    Schleeter> hunting.

"Natural" != "good"

    Schleeter> Moreover, (one more time) it causes the process to come
    Schleeter> to a quick, comparatively humane end.

Everyone will have to forgive me while I weep before Mr. Schleeter's
evident humanitarianism.  What decency!  What self-sacrifice!  To
rouse oneself from one's warm bed and leave the bosom of one's family
to creep through a damp and vermin-ridden wood for the altruistic
purpose of relieving some dumb animal of the crushing burden of
existence.

[Retching noises deleted.]

    >>  Uh huh. So if in the past, humans simply bashed each other
    >> over the head to win arguments, you wouldn't have a problem
    >> with someone who disagrees with you and is larger or better
    >> armed dealing with you in that manner?
    >> 

    Schleeter> That you cannot distinguish between animals and human
    Schleeter> beings and what is appropriate to each indicates a
    Schleeter> clear need for professional help.

Actually the previous poster was not talking about the actions of
animals -- only what was "natural" to human beings.


    >> What do you MEAN by that statement that killing the animal is
    >> incidental to the hunter?  If your thesis is that Prop 197 is
    >> designed to control mountain lions, and yet you make such a
    >> statement, PLEASE share with us unenlightened masses how on
    >> earth you come to the conclusion that Prop 197 will result in
    >> animal population control?  You gonna drug them and glue
    >> condoms to the males or something?
    >> 

    Schleeter> That it is "incidental" does not mean it would not
    Schleeter> occur; only that the process of hunting includes quite
    Schleeter> a bit more. Please learn to read.

Mr. Schleeter -- who normally demonstrates such concern fr exactitude
-- should look up the definition of "incidental".  It means
"accidental", "occurring merely by chance or without intention or
calculation", or "occurring as a minor concomitant".  None of these
are what Mr. Schleeter seems to mean.  Killing is, of course,
*central* to hunting; other events are incidental, peripheral, or
secondary.

    >>> Hunting is a natural process.
    >>  So is murder.

    Schleeter> Correctly speaking, "murder" is a legal term for the
    Schleeter> illegal form of homicide. Please educate yourself.

"Educate yourself" is always good advice, but if Mr. Schleeter thinks
his interlocutor, Mr. Stowell, had demonstrated ignorance on some
particular point, he (Schleeter) is mistaken.

Mr. Stowell was just illustrating a point I made before, that
"natural" is not the same as "good", by referring to a natural act,
murder, which is not a good act.

And, in the interests of education I add that "murder" is indeed a
legal term, but it refers to one *of several* "unlawful" (not
"illegal") forms of homicide.

If you hunters are so bewildered about the disdain many others feel
for you, consider how you feel about a neighbor who worked in a
slaughterhouse, not for the money but because he enjoyed watching
things die.

M.