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cs805-06@mcs.csuhayward.edu (Steve) wrote:
>In article <4jcfpf$dq2@hprcl192.mayfield.hp.com>, Mike Schleeter
><mschleeter@mayfield.hp.com> wrote:
>
>> fayxx001@maroon.tc.umn.edu (Timothy D Fay) wrote:
>> >Mike Schleeter (mschleeter@mayfield.hp.com) wrote:
>> >>Opponents of 197 want to manipulate-away your right to choose whether or 
>> >>not to hunt.
>
>Thank god this failed.  The author and gun control sponsors are the
>ultimate in sleazyness and skumballness.
>

Please learn how to read. "gun control" sponsors generally opposed the 
bill because they oppose anything that allows people to use guns.


>They made this out as a safety issue, when 
>1) the dfg already can kill mountain lions who are dangerous.

Yes, but they face the constant threat of law suit whether they do or 
they don't. When a problem lion is NOT removed soon enough they get 
blamed. When any lion is removed TOO SOON they get blamed. And of course, 
any time an issue goes to court a government agency, like the DF&G, 
defends itself with tax payers' dollars. Moreover, if there's a 
settlement, then once gain, it's the tax payers who pay.


>2) Hunting is the killing of ADULT lions, those that ARENT a danger
>because they already have their own terrain.

Oh, so if someone travels in the territory of an ADULT lion that lion 
poses no threat whatever, because, well, uh, it knows you are in its 
"territory" and therefore everything's ok. Brilliant. Just brilliant. 

>
>The author of 197 is a low ball scumbag for lying to the public about this
>bill.  The EXACT SAME BILL, EXCEPT with a clause explicitly prohibiting
>the hunting of lions.  The author of 197 voted AGAINST this bill.  Now WHY
>would he vote AGAINST the exact same bill as 197 except that it
>specifically outlawed hunting?  

How many times does it need to be pointed out: hunting would allow the 
DF&G to use private parties to help contain/manage the lion population. 
As private parties would not be paid by the tax payers money would be 
saved. Please get a clue.


>The reason he voted against it was it prohibited hunting of mountain
>lions, and he SPECIFICALLY made prop 197 to allow the hunting of mountion
>lions.  
>
>If one wants to hunt mountain lions, then make a proposition that
>explicitly allows the hunting, and let the public vote on it.  But dont be
>slimey and lie about what the bill does.
  

According to my network of email contacts in the state community of fly 
fishermen and fishing guides (which include quite a few hunters) the 
defeat of this proposition is nothing less than a declaration of open 
season on cougars. The authorities cannot control the illegal growth and 
distribution of marijuana, do you really think they'll be able to control 
the wholesale shooting of cougars by fishermen and hunters?? Hope you 
folks are happy...