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In article <4jcfpf$dq2@hprcl192.mayfield.hp.com> Mike Schleeter <mschleeter@mayfield.hp.com> writes:
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Some one else >>What right do you have to kill animals for fun?
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>The rights given to me by the laws of our country. 

  Which right would that be?  Does the constitutional provision
  to keep and bear arms relate to sport hunting or does it really
  relate to militias and also at avoiding oppressive governments. 

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>The same right that animals have to hunt in a completely natural setting.

   So take your clothes off, give up the gun, and head out there
   and propagandize that poor defenseless mountain lion to death.

>What gives YOU the right to exclude those human beings who would 
>choose to participate in that relationship from so doing?

  Come off it.  There are several protected animals you cannot simply
  go out and kill because you have the truly insane belief that humans
  evolved as a gun-toting species.   If you are so keen on preserving
  "human heritage", why don't you simply wait until the animals die
  of other causes and scavenge the carrion?    

>Not only that, I really believe you don't understand hunting. As I've 
>tried to point out many, many times the fact that an animal is killed is 
>nearly incidental from the perspective of the hunter. Of course, it is 
>not incidental to the animal, but then neither is it incidental when an 
>animal is killed by another animal. It is simply the ways things are and 
>that fact alone shows that it is the way things ought to be.  

   Uh huh. So if in the past, humans simply bashed each other over
   the head to win arguments, you wouldn't have a problem with
   someone who disagrees with you and is larger or better armed
   dealing with you in that manner?  

   What do you MEAN by that statement that killing the animal
   is incidental to the hunter?  If your thesis is that Prop 197
   is designed to control mountain lions, and yet you make such a
   statement, PLEASE share with us unenlightened masses
   how on earth you come to the conclusion that Prop 197 will result
   in animal population control?  You gonna drug them and glue
   condoms to the males or something?  

>Hunting is a 
>natural process. 

   So is murder.