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David Icke will be making a public appearance on September 5th in
Santa Barbara, CA (Victoria Hall, 33 Victoria St. at Chapala at
7:00PM).  Admission is $10.  There will be a workshop to assist you in
identifying ways to apply Icke's ideas to your own life on Friday
Sept. 6 (7:00 PM Montecito Community Center, at the library, Upper
Coast Village Rd. opposite the Chevron station.  Call for reservations
for the workshop or for more information on the Thursday talk. (805)
965-7410.

There are also appearances in Buellton, CA.  Icke will speak at
Anderson' Pea Soup (Annex/Evans Room) on Saturday Sept. 7th at 6:30.
Admission is $8. or $6. for seniors 65+ or students.  And the workshop
is scheduled for the 8th.  Call (805) 688-0697 for reservations for
either the talk or the workshop.   
LEADING EDGE NEWSPAPER - JULY-AUG. 1996

HEADLINE:  DAVID ICKE OFFERS SPIRITUAL ANSWERS TO GLOBAL CONSPIRACIES
- AN EXCLUSIVE AMERICAN INTERVIEW WITH THIS CONTROVERSIAL ENGLISH
AUTHOR

INTERVIEWED BY PUBLISHERS DIANA AND KENNETH BURKE

LE:  David, can you tell us about your new book?

DI:  Yes.  It's about 500 pages of documented information which fits
together so many things that appear to be independent of each
other...and shows how the same few people actually pull the strings of
all of them. And, at the same time, it looks at the spiritual
solutions because the very strong point that I'm making is that the
conspiratorial and the spiritual are not isolated.  They're not
independent.  They are a reflection of each other.  I'm a great
believer in the idea that we create our own reality.  I think we put
out a magnetic pulse, a magnetic vibration like a broadcast, which is
unique to us.  It reflects exactly our sense of reality and our sense
of self.  I feel that this magnetic broadcast then attracts to it
other magnetic fields (people, places, ways of life, experience),
which create, in effect, an exact physical replica of our subconscious
mind in front of our eyes.  I think that all of the people and
experiences, the things we attract into our lives are actually
reflecting back as part of us.

LE:  Yes, we believe that also.

DI:  And, therefore -- and it's increasingly probably true -- a very
few people control the world...not everything that happens in the
world, but its direction toward more centralization of power and
erosion of freedom.  Then, that must be a physical reflection of the
collective human consciousness and its state of being.  I feel it
works like this:  you can't control 6 billion people with taxes
because there are too many people.  But, you can do it by coup d'etat
of the mind, which is to persuade and pressure people through fear to
think the way you want them to think, or preferably, not to think at
all.  You're like a farmer. You can control a whole vast herd of sheep
because most of the sheep will follow the one in front, and those
stragglers that don't immediately conform get the dose of fear from
the sheep dog.  I have actually watched one sheep dog round up a whole
herd of sheep and I thought, "Crickey!  This is how the human race is
controlled."

What happens is that, if you look at all dogmas, all cultures, all
societies, they've got what I call a "hassle-free zone."  This is that
area within any culture, within each dogmas (whether its a religious
dogma or whatever), wherein you conform to the accepted thought and
behavior of that dogmas of that society.  You're in the comfort zone
(the hassle-free zone).  No one's going to laugh at you or condemn you
for being different, for expressing your uniqueness, because you're
locked into the herd mentality, and you're conforming to what you're
told you should be.  When you step out of the herd mentality and you
say, "Hey, I'm me.  I'm a unique aspect of all that exists and,
therefore, I'm not going to be frightened," then you immediately face
hassle or ridicule or condemnation, or, in my case, all of them in
England.

LE:  Most people are afraid to do this.

DI:  Yes.  The fear of facing condemnation gets people to conform to
what they think is acceptable to others rather than expressing who
they really are.  So, what we have in the world, I feel, as a result
of this, is vast numbers of people (the majority, particularly in what
we call the West), who are walking down the street every day and
living their lives, not projecting at the world their really unique
selves, but putting on a mask which says, "This is not really me, but
this is what I think is acceptable so I can continue to live my life
free from hassle."  Therefore, if we are going to succumb to this fear
of our own uniqueness, whoever (and its a very few) can actually set
the limits in society of what is acceptable to say, do and think...can
control vast numbers of people.

This is how a few people, in my opinion, control the world.  They set
the limits in society's dogmas of what is acceptable to be, think or
say.  And because of a fear of being different and facing hassle, most
people conform to it.

I believe that the human race has developed a form of collective
schizophrenia in which we are not only the slaves to this imposed
thought behavior, but we are also the police force of it.  The reason
most people don't express their individuality and actually deny it, is
not fear of what prime ministers think of us or the head of the
federal reserve.  It's what their families and their friends down at
the bar are going to think of them.

LE:  That makes a lot of sense.

DI:  I personally feel that the cause and the means through which a
few people control our world is that we no longer respect our own
right to be unique, and we no longer respect anyone else's right.

LE:  Can you mention a few details of the information you share in
your lectures and workshops?

DI:  What I do in my talks is I connect and link the conspiracy idea
with the spiritual.  I talk about, first of all, how we're giving our
minds away and the means through which we are conditioned to do that.
And I name an enormous number of names and organizations that are very
famous, of people who re in the controlling hierarchy, including the
President of the United States.  I think it's important to do this.
As I say in the book, I'm not doing this out of condemnation, because
the people involved, although they're expressing their own state of
being at the time, they're also reflecting back to us the collective
human mind itself.

LE:  You're not condemning anyone for being a part of a conspiracy.

DI:  Right.  I'm not into condemning people.  But I am into pointing
out what's going on.  One of the things I point out, with very much
back-up evidence, is how the same people, on apparently different
sides of politics, are actually connected to the same organizations.
These organizations have a proven agenda of a world government, a
world central bank, a world army, microchip population, and so forth.
I show how these apparent opposites in politics are there to persuade
us we have freedom so we don't realize we're in jail.  These persons
are not opposites at all but are part of a one-party state.  The book
shows very powerfully the connections between the last two U.S.
Presidents, who were apparently opposites and on different sides --
Bill Clinton and George Bush.  They were both involved with the same
organizations.

LE:  Can you speak more about this:

DI:  The media and politicians have a cozy unwritten agreement that
projects a myth to people, which is that prime ministers, presidents
and top politicians are the top of the pyramid in terms of
decision-making in the world.  The presidents and prime ministers then
walk around the world stage and act as if they are the final arbiters
of power, and the media goes along with this, which means that the
echelons ABOVE the Clintons, who actually pull the strings, never get
researched and investigated because they are invisible to the public.
These are the people who decide who becomes President because they own
the money and the media.  The average person may think the President
is the most powerful man in the world.  No, he's not.  He's only the
most famous front-man in the world!

LE:  Can you give a specific example of how the media is used to
influence public opinion?

DI:  I mention in the book a mass mind-controlling technique which is
used all the time, which I call the "Problem-reaction-solution."  A
problem is covertly created and you (whoever is doing it) make certain
that someone is blamed for the problem.  This might be a war.  It
might be a run on the currency, or a government collapse.  It can be
anything.  You then use the media to stimulate pubic opinion in
relation to our created problem, so that the public cries out:
"Something must be done!"  At that point the public will accept
anything...as long as something is done!

LE:  Okay, what next?

DI:  At that point, those who have created the problem got exactly the
public reaction they wanted. They then openly, in the public arena,
offer the solution to the problem that THEY created, and get the
solution that they wanted all along.

LE:  Can you give an example of this?

DI:   Okay.  If you take the world army scenario (a favorite theme of
this group of people), the last thing that the
"problem-reaction-solution" required in Bosnia was an effective UN
peacekeeping operation.  If it was effective it could be effective in
Rwanda and Somalia.  If it was effective, there would be no problem to
solve. So, as a result of the UN peacekeeping operation NOT working,
there continued to be a problem (and I document this in my book).  The
U.N. peacekeeping WAS DESIGNED not to work.  The more horrific
pictures that same out of Bosnia, the louder came the cry: "Something
must be done!"  And, this was understandable from the public's point
of view.  The solution put forward was, and is, effectively a WORLD
ARMY...the 60,000 man force...the biggest multinational force
assembled since the 2nd World War.  I could on and on, but a common
theme among all the people who have been the major peace negotiators
in Bosnia, is membership in the  same organizations that have as an
agenda the creation of a world army.

LE:  Let's relate the spiritual approach to this type of scenario, if
you will.

DI:  Well, I always operate on two apparently different levels.  One
is the here-and-now, the conspiratorial research level.  And the other
side, of course, is the spiritual, which is actually showing that if
you give your mind away, there are physical	consequences.  If we
take our power back and stop being a herd of sheep and start to
express our individuality, then the ability of a few to control our
world disappears.

LE:  You know, you would think, hypothetically, that some of the
people with the Rockefellar or Rothschild hierarchy might consider how
much more money they might make if people were freely allowed to
explore their own talents and creativity in a relaxed, fun, fulfilling
way.  These people who own the world's money might actually make more
money if people were happier expressing their uniqueness and
individuality in their lives.

DI:  From the spiritual perspective that's absolutely correct.  But
from the perspective of the Rothschild/Rockefellar mind set, which is
at the head of this hierarchy in general, they don't think that way.
While the esoteric knowledge of consciousness, energy fields and that
sort of thing is often laughed at and condemned as either mad or off
the wall or dangerous...the people at the top who control the world
work with this knowledge and know this knowledge is true.  This
knowledge has been passed on across generations since the mystery
schools through the upper levels of the initiations in the secret
society network.  What they wish to do is keep this knowledge out of
the public arena because it can then be used against people.

LE:  That certainly makes sense.

DI:  Once people realize they can control their own lives, that their
own power exists within them rather than outside of themselves...then
the game is over.

LE:  You mentioned that you have at least some information about how
the Rothschild/Rockefeller people use energy and esoteric knowledge to
influence people.

DI:  I think there is some kind of consciousness which is working on a
vibration that can lock into people.  I find it interesting and I've
had some experience with it...through coincidences leading me into the
right place at the right time, of some of the knowledge of the higher
levels of the secret society network.  What I feel happens is quite
obvious when you see some of the things they do.  There is an energy
field created which allows some kind of vibrational compatibility
between the initiate's consciousness and the consciousness that can
lock into them.  I think in a sense that it almost bypasses the
person's higher self, in a way, and becomes their guide.

LE: That's an amazing observation.

DI:  I see this malevolent energy, which I don't see as evil, as
possibly being the shadow side of the collective human mind.  The more
we fear and the more we get aggressive and the more we seek to impose
and dominate, the more we are generating the vibration which is adding
to the power of that shadow.  On the other side, the more we love, and
I have experienced this, the more we are balancing out that negative
polarity and using the positive aspects of the negative energy rather
than having it dominate us.

LE:  In your experience, by loving the negative energy we help bring
it into balance.

DI:  Yes.  I feel the balance between positive and negative, male and
female, and yin/yang, whatever people call it, at that balance point
you can find wisdom and you find you are taking positive aspects from
both energies.  The more you get out of balance to either extreme, the
more you go into the land of ignorance because you are denying
yourself the knowledge and understanding that the other polarity (that
you are denying) has to offer.  So, if you go to the negative polarity
and you are denying and keeping out positive energy, then we get this
malevolence, this wish to dominate, this conflict-creating fear which
feeds itself with more and more negative energy.  If you go so far to
the other extreme of the positive energy, you get what I call
"feet-off-the-ground" kind of energy in which you're in some kind of
spiritual mist...

LE:  And you're not seeing reality as it is...

DI:  You're not bringing your spiritual values and grounding them here
on this earth plane.  the negative polarity, if used as a balance
rather than a dominating thing, will ground that positive energy in
this earth vibration so we can express it physically rather than being
on some plane that doesn't actually lock into this physical level.
When I meet people who are investigating the conspiracy but are not
into the spiritual, I fin people full of paranoia, full of fear, who
are giving this conspiracy and the people behind it enormous power,
and they can't see a solution to it because they can't see the
spiritual solutions.  I also find the mind set, which understands so
much about how the conspiracy works and what its goals are. 

They actually want to meet the energy that has created the conspiracy
with another version of that same negative energy.

LE:  Yes.

DI:  So, basically, they're also adding to the very energy that is
creating the mind set that is creating the conspiracy.  When I meet so
many people in the New Age area, while I share all the metaphysical
ideas as a basis, I often find people who, so often, think that if you
address the negative, then that's really bad.  You must only address
the positive.

LE:  We know a lot of people like that.

DI:  But if you don't address the negative, either the negative gets
more negative or stays as it is.  What you don't do is change it.

LE:  You integrate it.

DI:  Integrate it.  Exactly.  I feel there is a kind of consciousness
that has now moved beyond the New Age, that has taken the metaphysical
basis, that has left behind the jargon, the irrelevant
ceremony...although not all ceremonies are irrelevant, of course.

LE:  The airy-fairy stuff...

DI:  The bull, you know, and this consciousness is taking the
spiritual values and the spiritual understanding in the world that we
live in, this dense physical vibration, and changing the nature of the
so-called negative physical world, rather than denying that it exists.

LE:  Beautiful!

DI:  I feel that this consciousness is at the front of the snow plow
of the transformation of the planet, and it's saying, "Yes.  There's a
conspiracy going on, and this is its goal and these are its methods.
But, hold on a minute!  We've created this!

LE:  Exactly.  We've created it, we're a part of it.

DI:  Yes, we're a part of it.  SO, let's stop condemning and let's
stop saying "It's someone else's fault,"  and say instead, "If we're
giving away our power and giving away our responsibility...that has
allowed the conspiracy to happen...then let's take back our power and
take back our responsibility."  Then we remove the means through which
the conspiracy takes place.  What my new book is saying is this, "Yes,
this is happening, but look, this is a solution to it, and you don't
need a gun.  You don't need another political party.  You don't need
another smoke-filled room."  All you need is to celebrate your
uniqueness, de-link from the herd mentality, and respect everyone
else's right to do the same.  Suddenly, we've removed the (energy)
vehicle through which a conspiracy an operate, which is our collective
herd mentality.

LE:  David, you've certainly shared a lot of food-for-thought
material. Where do you get your information, if you can tell us?

DI:  Many people within government and intelligence agencies, and the
military even, have known what is going on and have not known what to
do with the information.  They are choosing to give it to me.  They
know that I'll put it out.  I keep saying to people the worst thing
that can happen to me is that my consciousness moves to another
time/space reality, and that's the worst thing that could happen!

LE: We feel honored that you're sharing with our readers, David.  And
we know you're planning a tour of the U.S. to share more with our
countrymen.

DI:  Yes, I feel that America is where it's at in terms of changing
consciousness because of its effect on the world consciousness as a
whole.  If consciousness can be changed in America, then the world
will follow, no doubt about it.

LE:  We understand that an American edited your book.

DI:  Yes, streams of coincidence got me on the phone to a book editor
in Santa Fe, Sara Benjamin-Rhodes.  She edited "...and the truth shall
set you free" and she did a great job!

(Part two of this interview will be published in Leading Edge in the
September/October Issue)

David Icke's book, "...and the truth shall set you free" is available
from Quality of Life 2000, 13553 Poway Rd. #170, Poway, CA 92064.
1-800-884-7657 Fax: 619-679-2724  ($23.50).  Price includes shipping
and handling.  CA residents add .0775% sales tax.