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 On the surface, this post may not seem like it belongs on
 these "sci." newsgroups.  Perhaps not.  But in logical 
 discussions, if facts and logic are ignored, all that
 logically remains is what may appear to be ad hominem
 attacks.  Yet we hardly believe that challenging the
 integrity and honesty of a source is unscientific, indeed,
 it is primary to all such discussions.  
 
 Re: California's law to that Detroit must soon offer a few
     (2%) electric cars.....  
 
 Those with an economics background fully understand that the 
 idea of an organized, even if "meagerly funded", seemingly 
 "grassroots" movement to stop electric cars is not paranoia, 
 -- it is common sense.  It is logical, and to expect otherwise
 is to live in a world of rose-colored delusion.  Like duh!  
 It's simple economics.  There are powerful economic vested 
 interests in the internal combustion engine, as well as emotional
 vested interests.  Like duh.  So?  
 
 It was not that many decades ago when Standard oil bought out
 Los Angeles' rail system to let it rot in order to sell more
 oil.  That fact is hardly a paranoid delusion.  Have the rules
 of economics changed that much?   No, but perhaps government
 regulations would make such overt monopolistic practices illegal 
 today.  
 
 So?  What of the "grassroots" movement to stop electric cars?
 Certainly such a campaign would be VERY cost effective.  Do
 such things exist?  
 
 Such corporate underground "advertising campaigns" would not be 
 burdened with the normal "true and moral" restrictions of Madison 
 Avenue's direct advertising.  It is well understood by students 
 of behavior that unburdened propaganda using the all the dirty tricks
 is far more effective.  This includes appealing to the low emotions 
 such as hate, fear, scapegoating, mother, sister, and patriotism. 
 Madison Avenue's standard advertising must be content appealing 
 largely to the socially acceptable low emotions of greed, peer 
 pressure, and sex. 
 
 We all know how far Hitler got with fear (of job loss,
 poor economy), scapegoating and hatred.  Keep this in mind as
 we read on.  Do we see the work of pros in this thread?  Over
 and over and over???  Let's examine just one letter: 

   Yep, Andy Borsa wrote to All on 23 Dec 95  21:38:42 
    about:   Re: California capitulates to Detroit:

From: andy@moose.mv.com (Andy Borsa) 
A>  jsalsman@bovik.org says...
 >
A> [paranoia deleted]

A> James,

A> The taxpayers of the USA think it's high time folks like you stopped
A> sucking  their blood.  You can't make an EV that any sane buyer is
A> willing to pay for,  so you lobby governments to mandate same. 
A> Fortunately, the state of CA seems  to have regained some sense, and
A> told your kind that you may not feed at the  public trough.

  Notice how slick the transition from "consumer" to "taxpayer"
  was?   I don't believe this law would have had much effect on 
  the taxes we pay.  What low emotions are being appealed to here?  
  
  And certainly the consumer was under no obligation to buy....

A> If you can design and manufacture an EV that will truly compete with
A> current  vehicles, then I believe the public will buy it.  Until then,
A> please examine  your motivations and be honest with yourself.  If you
A> have kids, how would  they like knowing that Daddy is a vampire?

  <Chuckle...>  oh, I forgot Dad and children....  And ungodly
  creatures that go bump in the night....

A> What you're engaged in is stealing.  Taxation usually treads the
A> borderline  of theft, but in this case, should it have passed, there
A> wouldn't be any  question.

A> At least Count Dracula was born that way.  What's your excuse?

A> Andy Borsa -- !!!The Universe is discretely analog!!!

  Ok, no need to beat that dead horse any further....  

  But one more concept that the dittoheads never knew, and the
  Republicans have conveniently forgotten....   It is common
  knowledge among intro-econ students that an utterly free and
  unregulated capitalistic economic system will soon eat itself,
  or the conditions it is dependent on.  Monopolies, morality,  
  and extreme economic stratification are some of the best known
  examples.  This is not left-wing raving, this is all Intro-to-
  Economics stuff.  Like duh!   
  
  Any in this thread who who feel the urge to call these words 
  "leftist", I can only suggest that you complete your education. 
  Like read a real book once in a while. 
  
  --Douglas Bashford -- with Truth on loan from GOD....


... The free education provided by Limbaugh is worth every penny.