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   Yep, Robert O. Dahl wrote to All on 20 Jul 95  09:59:29 
    about:   Re: more Welfare Cowboys? (eco):
D> From: ottar@indirect.com (Robert O. Dahl)

  Once again, we have the whacko dittohead anti-environmentalist
  extremist squealing out of his ass.  I really have no idea what
  makes these guys think their unsupported armchair postulating 
  can compete with science.  But Rush Limbaaah would like all of 
  his dittohead sheep to believe that all of reality is simply a
  matter of (political) opinion.  This makes his talk-radio "EIB 
  diploma" seem to have validity.  This might also explain why 
  the Limbaughtomy claims there is some sort of "Librill" conspiracy
  in control of the world's scientists.  Perhaps something in his
  past mistrust all men in white coats?

D>  (Phil Ronzone)  wrote: >
 > There is NOTHING outside of our human, subjective values, that
 > makes  tons of bison shit in the creeks any better or worse than 
 > tons of cattle shit in the creek.
 
  In my lifetime I have seen the typical mountain streams go from 
  potable to non-potable.  Only a fool would drink the cold
  mountain water without boiling it first in the Sierra Nevada.

  There is also evidence that deer populations have been decimated 
  by the fecal bacteria and viruses imported by these large tropical
  animals.
 
 > A herd of bison shitting in the creek is NO more or NO less "natural"
 > than a herd of cattle shitting in the creek.
 
  Bison are not tropical animals.  The environment has adapted to
  migrating bison patterns.   Furthermore, the old territory of bison
  is rarely where taxpayer subsidized grazing occurs today.  That 
  is mostly private land.  So, as is typical, your arm-chair 
  postulating has little bearing on reality.  But when has that ever
  mattered to the whacko dittohead anti-environmentalist extremists 
  squealing out of their uninformed, uneducated ass?
 
 > So when some eco-luddite gets up and starts talking about how "against
 > nature" it is to have all these man-tended cattle shitting in the creek,
 > well, he's just full of creek.<SNIP>

D> Unfortunately, Phil, we'll never know, as we exterminated the great
D> herds of buffalo (and many other plants and animals) before we could
D> find out about how that great ecosystem operated. You're making our
D> point for us. 

  I love these guys!  They make our point so much more effective.
  These guys really have no idea how ignorant they sound.

D> Then he went on to write:
 ><SNIP> Because there is NO difference.
 > 
 > A beaver, and a beavers work is no more and no less "natural" than man
 > and mans work.<SNIP>

  "natural"?
  See what I mean?  Seemingly, the guy doesn't even own a dictionary.
  Obviously he has no idea how evolutionary biology works.  But since
  when do facts matter to whackos of any flavor?
  --Doug


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