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In article <3ugmti$3hj@cwis.isu.edu> maugralp@cwis.isu.edu (Ralph Maughan) writes:

>>>Chicas, who hangs out mostly on rec.motorcycles.dirt, doesn't get it.  
>>
>>Stereotyping there Ralph? This is just part of the hole you and your 
>>extremist ilk are digging for yourselves..  

>It is true you post a lot to that newsgroup, right?  If a correct 
>generalization is stereotyping, then I have sterotyped you.

Be honest.. Why was it even mentioned except to paint me as ORV enthusiast, 
perceived to be un-aligned with your enviro ideals. 

>>>It's about protecting the Mojave, not about power and control.  Power and 
>>>control is psychological projection on the part of "wise use" types.
>>
>>Spare me you unsubstantiated, emotional rhetoric.. 

>The substantiation is that I have never heard any person who loves the
>outdoors talk about gaining power and control.  They argue a lot and talk
>about getting (and even making) politicians to do the "right thing." This
>includes dirt bikers too (until recently).  

What's (until recently) Ralph?  Remeber my comment that supported expansion 
and establishment of NPS facilities in the Mojave?  There should be balance..
The CDPA at six to seven million acres was far, far from any balance. This 
overkill will be it's demise.

>I don't think dirk bikers are
>seeking power and control when they organize.  They just want to have fun.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but no ORV group has ever wished to lock out another 
group of people. The CDPA in many facits does just that.

>>Back to the original question.. Why is an indivdual in Ontario, Canada so 
>>woried about the Mojave?  

>I'm from Idaho, and I worry about the Mojave and other places, probably
>because I like to think that not every part of the earth is screwed up.  I
>also visit some of these places. The fact that someone from Ontario cares
>is very good evidence against your view that this is about power and 
>control. 

Pushing an extreme measure aligns with power and control. Re-examining the 
issue to create a workable solution is about caring and forthought. 

In California the ORV folks have paid millions into the "Green Sticker 
License Fund". The small fraction that hasn't been syphoned off has purchased 
or contributed towards the managment of many ORV areas. 

In complete contrast, the CDPA bears directly on the taxpayer without focus on 
the environmental groups. Call this a situation of "welfare-environmentalism". 
 
I think it is high time that enviro groups as a whole cough up the cash to 
support their projects. Most certainly they would gain credibility with 
todays economics aware populace by largely subsidizing the projects they hold 
so dear.  Just think of the areas that could be purchased and managed for the 
cost of one "Doom and Gloom" WWF ad. In contrary to this common doom and 
gloom posture, think of the revenues generated by a positive ad soliciting 
donations to purchase and protect the Kelso Dunes or some other area. With 
declining membership, a consistent drop in revenues and the cutting of enviro 
group jobs, you'd think someone would wake up in that camp.. So far, we just 
see the same old negative rhetoric.

Regards

Pat