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In article phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) wrote:
>In article <3sbvdh$22uc@news.cuny.edu> tom_bregman@qc.edu writes:
>    >In article phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) wrote:
>    >>It is outrageous -- the dead and fallen logs will not be >    >>up
>    >>to logging standards much longer, and the price of wood >    >>for
>    >>home building has almost doubled in some parts of the
>    >>country.
>    >>
>    >I suppose your suggesting it's the job of the federal
>    >government to subsidize the housing (or wood products)
>    >industry by turning the National Forests into tree farms.
>
>Huh? *What* are you mumbling about? How retrieving trees downed >by
>large scale disasters and turning them into lumber makes a >national
>forest a tree farm is a leap too confused to be seen.

The last refuge of ranting, red-faced, bug-eyed libertarians is 
the ad hominem attack.  None to subtle Phil.  What do you suppose 
will be planted after the skidders have rutted the earth, the 
slash has been burned and the rain washes away the remaining 
topsoil?  How about row after row of some fast growing softwood.


>
>    >>And the eco-fascists
>    >>
>    >I wonder what you'd call an economic system that uses >    >federal
>    >subsidies to prop up ranching, mining, and logging. Hmmm?
>    >Well at least the trains run on time.
>
>Eh? Oh, yeah, any tax amount less than 100% of everything is a >subsidy.

My taxes pay for the National Forests.  It is on my interest (as 
well as in the interest of the biosphere) to protect them from 
the ravages of unbridled greed.  When you look at a forest you 
see rows of dollar bills stretching to the horizon, when I see a 
forest I see a complex web of life that plays an important role 
in sustaining the global ecosystem.


>Sorry charlie -- the only legitimate and valid purpose of a >government is to allow people maximum freedom.


Huh?  This is Aristotle, Aquinas, Locke, Jefferson, Smith, who?



> It is NOT to allow some >narrow
>minded set of Luddites use coercion to prevent other people from >having a good standard of living.


I am not narrow minded!



>If YOU want a whole lot of pretty trees, then YOU pay for it. >That's only fair.

Oh yeah, if you want a whole lotta clean air ...


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