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Article #7008Re: What "takings"? Private property? Ecology
From: Jim Barrett
Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 00:00
Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 00:00
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In ca.politics dlow@ppg01.sc.hp.com (Danny Low) said: >Jim Barrett (jimbar@also.hooked.net) wrote: : Since you think it is appropriate >to call someones idea stupid when you >: think it is stupid maybe you should do so in this case. The idea that the >: bridge that is used for cars has fees that are only for mass transit and >: not for the cars makes no sense. You mean to say that the cost to build the >: bridge is zero. This is clearly ridiculous. >: Who pays for the roads. Who pays for the traffic cops and the traffic >: courts. Who pays for the pollution. Who pays for the public parking and so >: on. > >Once more you show off your ignorance. You clearly do not know TWO facts about >the SF bay area bridges. The first is the tolls have paid off the bridge >building costs long ago. The tolls were enacted specifically to pay off the >cost of building the bridges and were supposed to have ended once that >happened. They were kept specifically to subsidize mass transit. The second is >the maintenance of the bridges come out of the gas tax and car fees. That is >the reason they exist. This money also goes pay for the roads, the traffic >cops, the courts, the pollution, etc. According to documents provided by the >DMV, only 1/4 of the car fees go towards these items. The rest are general >subsidies to the state and local government. > I pay my own health insurance. If the users of cars pay part of my health insurance it is news to me. There are ongoing costs to maintain bridges including earthquake proofing. There are a number of bond measures that are paid for by the taxpayer that are being used to pay for your roads to drive your car. The notion that those who use cars are paying all of the costs of their use is clearly not the case. All roads should be toll roads. The income tax system and general bond measures or anything that requires me to spend any money or any time is clearly a taking from me. Any time I must waste waiting for cars to get out of my way when walking is a cost to me. The pedestrian was here first. My space was taken by cars. I was not compensated. In places that I was able to walk with out any hinderence I must now walk around. This uses my time. This has a cost. This is a taking.
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 10df74,b7b23e3700f6d4e6 X-Google-Attributes: gid10df74,public From: jimbar@worm.hooked.net (Jim Barrett) Subject: Re: What "takings"? Private property? Ecology Date: 1995/05/31 Message-ID: <3qirdd$3nj@worm.hooked.net> X-Deja-AN: 103678970 references: <3pk3dt$qk3@mirv.unsw.edu.au> <philD8ytxp.2uB@netcom.com> <sharvy.801168273@gladstone> <philD90rEy.AzH@netcom.com> <sharvy.801255523@gladstone><3pvu6g$hju@hpscit.sc.hp.com><3q070m$ioq@also.hooked.net> organization: hooked newsgroups: ca.environment