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Doug Bashford writes:

> And for you to place Greenpeace & SC in the same category shows your 
  > ignorance.  You must be fully aware that Forbes also comes with
   >pre-conceived assumptions.  I personally put all orthodox economic
   >systems closer to religion than science, as do a growing number
   >of science-based economists.  Why?  All systems from Communism to
   >Capitalism are based in physically impossible assumptions of 
   >perpetual economic growth.  Growthmania.  The earth is finite.

Doug, ecomomic growth is not space-dependant or matter-dependant.  If you
don't believe this consider the case of data processing capability.  If
someone in 1960 had taken your position regarding the  resources that
would be required to build a computer with the processing and data storage
capability of a typical  
Pentium PC they would have estimated that this computer would fill a large
room.
Another example - when I was a kid my friends and I all had cars with over
a ton of steel in them, V8 engines and gas mileage of 10 mpg.  Today the
typical kid is driving a 4 cylinder car with less than 1000# of steel in
it which gets over 20 mpg.

Living space - Most people live in space-inefficient suburbs because
cities are not safe, not because the have a primal urge to mow the lawn. 
Make cities safe and people will voluntarily recolonize them.

Telecommuting - I telecommute, fax and e-mail at least half of the
information that I transmit in the course of serving my clients.  10 years
ago much of this communication would have required face to face meetings
and energy-intensive travel.     

Infinite economic growth is possible because humans are not limited by the
space/matter paradigm that you espouse.  Get an imagination!

>   Only those unfamiliar with science make claims that it is overly
  > prejudiced.  It does have them, nothing is perfect, but it is the 
   >best system for truth-seeking humanity has yet devised.  Certainly
   >arm-chair postulating is no match.

Science is a system of thought.  Scientists are people.  All people carry
prejudices.  Since scientists are people they must carry prejudices. 
Fortunately, scientific method, given enough time, is a pretty effective
predudice squasher.