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In ca.politics phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) said: 
 
 
>In article <3oleq3$dbs@tuna.hooked.net> jimbar@tuna.hooked.net (Jim
Barrett)  
>writes: 
>    >In ca.politics phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) said: 
>    >>Look -- if YOU want forests, YOU buy them and preserve them. 
>    >The forests that are owned by the country are already owned 
>    >in part by myself. These forests should be preserved. 
>    > 
>    >I do believe that those of us who believe that it is 
>    >important to preserve the ecosystem should start buying the 
>    >land. It is very clear to me that many do not think it is 
>    >important and will resist forever any attempts to force them 
>    >into participating in saving the planet. Many do not even 
>    >believe that the planet is dying or that it matters even if 
>    >it is. 
> 
>1. The planet, our planet Earth, is not alive. It can not die. It does not

>   live. 
 
 
1. The planet may not be living in the sense that an organism is. However
it is presently supporting life and may in the future not be supporting
life.  
 
 
 
>2. "Preserve the ecosystem"??? What ultimate conservative nonsense. The 
>   ecological systems of the planet are in a state of change and always
will 
>   be in a state of change. 
> 
>   Of course, this is really a code phrase for "stop any and all changes
by 
>   mankind, even if 99% of the human population must die". 
> 
>   What self hate some people have for themselves (and such transferrence
of 
>   that self hate to their own species). Of course, after meeting such
people 
>   I hate them too. 
 
 
2. Yes. Preserve the ecosystem. It is all connected. The ecosystem is
truely in a continous state of flux. There are some activities that may
result in the end of it being an ecosystem. I am not in favor of stopping
any and all changes made by mankind. I am only in favor of stopping those
that are destructive. I certainly do not want anybody to die. We are part
of the ecosystem also. I do not hate myself and I do not hate you. I think
there is too much hate. I'm sorry if you think you might hate me. I'm only
trying to engage in a discussion. 
 
 
>3. And of course, any changes by man to the ecological system are
insignifcant 
>   to what other species have done. I mean changing the atmosphere from 
>   methane/ammonia to oxygen/CO2 ... unless you want to go back and 
>   preserve the origibal Earth atmosphere? 
> 
>Actually, man is probably the best animal around for maintaining a fairly 

>unchanged ecological system in the presence of technology. Or, if ants had
 
>nuclear weapons, all life on the planet would be dead in a week. 
> 
> 
 
I'm really just trying to avoid destroying the planet or to avoid making
the planet so polluted that living on it is a horrible experience. The
ecosystem is a system which involves change and flux. To preserve it in my
mind means to keep it viable. To keep it from being unable to support life.
If the air we breath and the water we drink continues to get more polluted
and our food is covered with more and more chemicals which harm us, I think
we are moving in the wrong direction. I don't think that I or our
government should be allowed to "take" anything from you or force you to do
anything other than force you not to harm me. I should not be allowed to
steal from you nor should I be allowed to decrease the value of your land.
On the other hand you should not be allowed to decrease the value of what I
have. Some of the things I have include the air I breath and the forests
that are owned by my country. These are my forests and I believe that I
have a right to the air. I don't think that our country should give any
special financial breaks to timber companies to cut down my forests. If
this drives up the cost of paper then so be it. I do not wish to subsidize
anyone elses newpaper. If one harms me by invading my home country or my
air I think that the government should protect me. I think that the threat
to my wellbeing that comes from those who are destructive to our
environment is as real as the threat to my wellbeing that comes from a
personal attact. There are many days when the air is not fit to breath.
This is a "taking" by those who are destroying the air. I think I should be
compensated.