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   "Wise Use" wannabe Patrick Martin said on 12-25-94  01:53 
      about: RE: "Wise Use" v. Ecology....
 

M> From: prm@borderlin.quake.com (Patrick Martin)
 
   Hmmm, your Sahara Club BBS won't make the trip, or did it fold
   too?

M> On 21 Dec, 1994 13:35 Doug.Bashford%ow@salata.com (Doug Bashford)
 >   Notice that this was "property rights" which are not
 > necessarily   anti-environmental.  However, I can only
 > conclude that the League of Private Property Voters are
 > "Wise Use" anti-environmentalists. 

M> Time to improve your accuracy Doug...  Wise Use is:
M> Anti Environmental-EXTREMIST
M> ... Not anti-environmental or anti-environmentalist as you ever so
M> often like to claim.
 
  Then we must be enemies since I am a Middle-of-the-Road EXTREMIST!
 
 >   Perhaps you have not been following the issue, but the
 > "Private Property" issue is largely nothing more than
 > blatant propaganda lie used used by Wise Use to
 > manipulate the common man.  Yes, there may be some valid 
 > property rights issues that need to be addressed, but AGAIN:
 >    please look at what they are saying.  What do most of
 > these issues have to do with private property?  They are
 > listed below  

M> Oh Dougie...  There are some VERY valid private property concerns,
 
  Indeed there are!  The problem is, they are buried in your agenda!
  One needs a magnifying glass to see them.  Now that you have an 
  unabridged copy of PRIVATE!.ZIP, perhaps you can dig some out for us 
  all to see?
 
M> such as preventing those who think like AlGore from TAKING private
M> property without due process or due compensation. 
 
  Well, let's see it then!  You have the full document, talk is cheap.
  I will not listen to your tub-thumping!  That Wise Use doc is almost
  100K long, certainly you can find your support somewhere in there???
  I do NOT want your words, I do not want Rush Limbaugh's word, I want 
  to here it from them.  Please cite the specific law, and reasoning,
  not their wrapped-in-Apple-pie unsupported rhetoric and fear mongering.
 
M> Though the socialist
M> nature of the enviro-extremist movement won't admit it, it is private
M> property, freedom and free enterprise that made this great country
M> great... 
 
  Of course it is!  Calling us Commies or KKK will hardly help your 
  cause.  What?  You think we are ditto-heads here???   I suggest that
  you guys listen to what we are actually saying, instead of what Rush
  Limbaugh says we are saying.  I suggest that that you start at the top
  of this letter and re-read my words.  I suggest that you deal with
  Doug Bashford, not some straw dog you guys have apparently extracted 
  out of thin air.  You want to play?  OK.  We have your words, mine, and
  the League of Private Property Voters'.  Let's dance.
 
  Patrick?  Where's the beef?
 
 [citing the League of Private Property Voters own propaganda...]
 >   Does this sound like what Limbaugh is pushing?  "Beware
 > the enviro whackos will steal everything we common people
 > have."?   In Fresno, we call that brand of welfare:
 > "workfare".  Fine, just so long as you call a spade a
 > spade.  But don't call it "rights"! 
 
 [citing the League of Private Property Voters own propaganda...]
 >   Of all of the above, perhaps only the farmers are involved
 > with true   private property.  But Wise Use will pick up
 > anybody it can who has a gripe against enviros.  Private
 > Property rights???  Lies!!! 

M> Funny, most folks consider anyone who owns private property a person
M> who SHOULD be concerned about private property rights.  Is it really
M> that complicated an issue Doug?

  What is your point?  We are in agreement.

M> Now that you've spewed forth a lot of venom at Wise Use, why don't you
M> explain to the readers here about YOUR solution to environmental
M> issues - where BIGGER GOVERNMENT and more federal control (resulting in
M> higher taxes) is *the* only solution.

  Because that is NOT my agenda.  That is what Rush Limbaugh SAYS my
  agenda is....  It is really quite humorous to see you whackos tilting 
  at windmills of your own extraction.  We have been communicating for 
  over a year, --  you have not a clue.

  As you should know by now, my solutions include far SMALLER GOVERNMENT,  
  far FEWER laws, more per capita WEALTH,  with dreams of an
  airplane in every garage.   This also includes plenty of desert for you
  and your ilk to rampage around on your rut-mobiles as well as a far
  healthier planet.   Read my lips, Patrick.  This has NOT changed.  
  You want to play with reality for a change?  Let's do it!

M> Cheers,

  Tootles...
  --Doug

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