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In article <1994Oct17.152417.26033@pbhye.PacBell.COM> mjvande@PacBell.COM (Mike Vandeman) writes:
>>> There is no "right" to ride
>>>off-road, and there are many environmental laws that it violates.
>>>
>>	There is a right to the pursuit of happiness and there is no law
>>that specifically forbids riding off road. There are many areas that
>>have been closed to ORV use however.
> 
>I wonder why.... Your right to pursue happiness (which, BTW, doesn't need
>to be pursued -- it comes naturally to people who live in harmony with
>nature)

snicker, giggle.

who's definition of 'harmony' are you using?  somehow, recycling
your trash and using public transportation doesn't qualify as
'harmony with nature' to me.  you're still dependent on the vast
amount of stuff produced by human society- your house, your office,
the public transportation you ride, the compter you're using to
read this.  none of those are natural, and they're all products of
a complex human society.  you're not in harmony with nature.  your
life is based on an incredible pyramid of society's DISharmony
with nature.  the public transportation you ride is built out of
metal ore that was ripped out of the ground!


i suspect that your definition of 'in harmony with nature' really is
'people who act like Mike Vandeman'.




> ends where it damages things that society values. It's also the
>ultimate stupidity to engage in an activity that destroys its own reason
>for being -- the beauty of nature.

there probably isn't much natural beauty where they mined the ore to
build your public transportation.  or where your office building is.


>>>There is another term for cooperation in illegal activity: conspiracy.
>>>Where is it written that EVERYone's hobbies have to be supported on
>>>public lands? I want to do bulldozer racing. Why can't I? To be fair,
>>>you can't exclude me. None of you Wise Abusers have been able to answer
>>>that.
>>
>>	Because you aren't a bulldozer racer and have no intention of
>>bulldozer racing. 
> 
>Wrong. Because you CAN'T answer it.

he did a fair job, considering that your 'question' is a facetious strawman.


>>>>degree. Many of these routes when left alone for as little as 8 months 
>>>>revealed no sign of previous travel.  Ribbons had to be placed to 
>>>
>>>Then you didn't look, or iddn't know what to look for. It takes decades,
>>>if not centuries, for desert lands to recover from ANY physical disturb-
>>>ance such as motorcycling or bicycling. That is well known.
>>
>>	Well known by who? You have references? With a wee bit of wind,
>>I can believe that all evidence of an ORV passing dissapears in a matter
>>of hours at most.
> 
>To your eyes. Actually, you destroy the desert version of topsoil, setting
>back the plants & animals in the area DECADES.


but building office buildings, houses etc. on it is ok?
and park service "visitor centers" and "improved campgrounds"?
fuck that, i'd rather see a 100 year old mining road!

oh yea, they're for people who "are in harmony with nature", right.


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            Eric Murray                 ericm@microunity.com
In this game, the winner is also the loser, and the judge's decisions are final