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In article <38bog5$57e@nuhou.aloha.net> "Patrick J. Chicas" <pjc@aloha.net> writes:
>> In article <37uou3$b0t@crl.crl.com> ourston@crl.com (Todd Ourston) writes:
>> >Eric Mankin (mankin@mizar.usc.edu) wrote:


## Fair enough.
## I wasn't aware that there was any move to end public use of non-paved
## roads & jeep tracks in Death Valley or Joshua Tree, or that the eastablishment
## of the EM monument meant a total end to vehicular access. As I understand
## it, part will be wilderness, part won't. When people talk about ORV
## use, what I visualize is not jeeps going down jeep trails -- which
## I use, in my own juicecan jeep -- but hordes of motorized vandals in
## four wheel hondas zipping over unbroken terrain. I am emphatically not
## in favor of closing all jeep trails on public land -- and I don't believe
## that is what the Desert bill does.
##  Eric Mankin
#
#Eric.. Your willingness to restrict others when you clearly do not
#have the facts straight is abhorent. 
#
#  S-21 does close roads. the same roads your have used in -your- jeep.
#  Hence, you locked yourself out through your blind support.
#
I am quite aware that it closes some roads. It does not close them all,
and I explicitly said in the post that I might join in a suit
to reopen certain jeep trails after the park had been established: 
I thought it was good to get the park set and then work on its rules
afterward. Was there anything ambiguous about the sentence, "I am 
emphatically not in favor of closing all jeep trails on public land"
in the post above?

#When will you ever back your idiotic, emotion fed, eco-bable "motorized vandals"
#comments.. I'm waiting. if you can't please keep your emotions to
#yourself.
#Pat

Speaking of emotion, I really don't think that "idiotic emotion fed eco-
babble" is what anyone would call a neutral formulation.
Quite unemotionally, I think you are in denial if you are able to tell
yourself that the desert can absorb an unlimited amount of motorized 
off road trafffic. Trails & roads thorugh, yes, vehicles fanning out
throughout, no. It has already been admitted that ORVs tear up places where
they are used heavily (with the exception of areas like sand dunes).
They also (again, speaking selfishly) make a lot of noise. One of the
things I go into the desert for is the silence.