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m.com (Thumper!) in article 2326 in ca.environment
 says:

>>Example: CFCs.  Supposedly, CFC's are ruining the ozone layer,
>> and have to be stopped before the entire human race becomes
>> blackened to a crisp.  So much pressure and eco-doodoo is said
 >>that the mighty Congress outlaws CFC's and forces the people
 >>to buy expensive, unreliable "no CFC" air conditioned cars,and
 >>makes it expensive and difficult to repair older A/C units.Then
 >>what happens?  Mt. Pinutubo explodes in a fiery volcano, and
 >>scientists... REAL scientists, not the "we think, therefore it
 >>must be" eco-wannabe-scientists, take some measurements,
 >>and conclude that just the ONE volcanic eruption has put 10
 >>times more CFC's into the atmosphere than mankind has in the
 >>however many years of existence. mankind has.

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The most frightening part of this post is the subject:
 Misinformation amongst the masses. Man this dude should
 really read do a little homework and then read his post again.
 Maybe then he (she?) could tell me about misinformation
 "amongst" the masses. I am a graduate student trying to do
 real science here at UCSD and I have many contacts down at
 SIO (Scripps institute of oceanography) where there are many
 people applying the scientific method to ecology and climate. 
SIO runs the data collection and analysis for many satellites 
and other observation platforms. If the eruption of Mt. Pinutubo
 had injected 10X more CFC's we would certainly know it. The 
photochemical degradation products of CFC's are easy to detect
 with remote sensing devices such as passive thermal infrared
 sensors. Also due to the known lifetime of CFC's in the troposphere
 (the lowest 5km or so) we would have measured a huge spike in
 the tropospheric concentration which is independently measured
 at many many labs around the world. Now I don't know what REAL
 scientist are but apparently they don't publish in peer reviewed
 journals, possibly they are the same creed that first argued (and
 still argue) that CFC's couldn't possibly reach the stratosphere
 because they are heavier than air. Can you believe it! this was
 actually argued on the senate floor. It makes me want to laugh
 to hide my tears. You may be referring to the fact that volcanoes
 emit lots of HCl which is by no stretch of the imagination a CFC,
 but that aside HCl being water soluble is very quickly taken up
 into the drops of water which form as the huge quantities of steam
 which a volcano also emits cool and coalesce. This is called rain
 out and is why most HCl emitted by volcanoes spends about
 25min in the atmosphere.There are some reports of natural CFC's
 by not-REAL scientists. For example it looks like some CFC's are
 produced by volcanoes but in amounts so small we never noticed
 before (we measure annual atmospheric concentration increases
 and only need to include anthropogenic sources to model the
 increases), also some bugs which live in the ocean emit methyl
 chloride and methyl bromide which can almost be called CFC's
 but these are not long enough lived to diffuse to the stratosphere
 without being degraded in to water soluble forms which are rained
 out quickly.

So Mr. eco-doodo I call your bluff who are the REAL scientists you
 refer to, where do they work, where do they publish, and who
 funds them? Inquiring minds want to know.

Finally I am sorry about your A/C and I am against the proposed
 ban on all chloride containing compounds (table salt?) and I know
 that some environmental types tend to fight with their hearts
 but please please turn off the Rush and go down to the library
 (please? why dontcha?). Until you do don't talk to me about
misinformation.