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Mike Vandeman (mjvande@pbhye.PacBell.COM) wrote:
: >I'd like to add another suggestion, but rather than just cite it, I'll 
: >provide the passage right here.
:  
: Isn't this from a piece of fiction? You DO need to cite the title and
: page! You Wise Users are masters of deception.

Now there's an interesting thought coming from you, Vandeman.  I've been 
asking you to quote from the books you claim as supporting references for 
your notion that any bicycle riding on trails necessarily results in 
significant environmental impacts.  I've also asked you on several 
occasions to cite the page on which such statements can be found.  So far 
you have refused my requests at every turn, often with lame excuses that 
imply that I don't actually want the information I have requested so 
you'll do me a favor by not providing it.  I am enjoying this opportunity 
to observe the shoe on your foot for a change.

As far tagging me with a Wise Use label, you're making a fool of yourself
again.  I've probably put together as much specific and critical
information on the grazing rights land grabs being attempted by Wayne
Hage, Karen Budd, and other Wise Use leaders as anyone on the net. 
Compared to you, I will agree that they are masters of deception.  At
least they try to make their ridiculous arguments seem plausible at first
glance.  Maybe you should just stick to speaking for yourself instead of 
trying to label me, huh?

: >: There are endless other places already destroyed to take your ORV...
: >
: >Name three of them that are legal and within 100 miles of your home.

: The four streets surrounding your house (assuming the ORV is street-legal).

Ah, Mikey, you've done it again!  You've made a completely erroneuous and 
unsupported assumption.  My house is not surrounded by four 
streets--regardless of the fact that ORVs are not street-legal.  I live 
on a ridge top at the end of a one-lane, winding, twisting road full of 
potholes.  The most obvious impact to the undeveloped land surrounding my 
house is from the deer that overgraze the place in the absense of any 
hunters or predators to keep their population in check.

What would you say is the most obvious environmental impact in Berkeley, 
where I take it you live?