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In article <37uou3$b0t@crl.crl.com> ourston@crl.com (Todd Ourston) writes:
>Eric Mankin (mankin@mizar.usc.edu) wrote:

#: Were you really never told to clean up after yourself?
#: Is the concept, "pay for what you break" really complicated?
#: When you use a public toilet, do you just dump on the floor
#: Do you really think there is something selfish about someone objecting
#: to have to deal with someone else's mess?
#
#No, no, no, and maybe.  But what does this have to do with a policy that 
#makes no accomodation of historic uses of the land in question, despite 
#the fact that a sizeable number of citizens wish to continue such use and 
#may actually be willing and able to fund mitigation and preventative 
#measures that address the sort of damage you are implying?

Then there's a chance to reopen the issue on a case-by-case, trail
by trail basis after the principle is established that the land
is a public trust and something worth preserving.

#Above, you have shifted the issues a bit.  You did not introduce the
#notion of impact compensation before now, nor has that concept been
#featured in prior discussions of the propriety of the California Desert
#bill, so I clearly was not responding to that.  What I was responding to
#was your suggestion that motorized uses of all trails in the Mojave or
#Death Valley should be banned and displaced to other areas, without any
#objective analysis to support that edict or show why it should not apply
#to some or all non-motorized uses as well. 
#
#:   *oops -- forgot you don't do it. Substitute "someone"
#
#But don't substitute one issue for another, huh?

Fair enough.
I wasn't aware that there was any move to end public use of non-paved
roads & jeep tracks in Death Valley or Joshua Tree, or that the eastablishment
of the EM monument meant a total end to vehicular access. As I understand
it, part will be wilderness, part won't. When people talk about ORV
use, what I visualize is not jeeps going down jeep trails -- which
I use, in my own juicecan jeep -- but hordes of motorized vandals in
four wheel hondas zipping over unbroken terrain. I am emphatically not
in favor of closing all jeep trails on public land -- and I don't believe
that is what the Desert bill does.
 Eric Mankin