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In article <mbarton-1410941840230001@mbarton.picosof.com> mbarton@picosof.com writes:

>Pat, 
>You may have skipped Ecology 101, so I'll explain it to you.  In fact,
>many Americans have no concept of ther impact on the natural world.  Any
>attempt to set wild lands aside is seen as anti-human.

Anti Human label? Sir, that is your perception.. Key on the word "any" as your 
straw man argument.  

Also, look back and read my statement that I support park expansion and 
wilderness area creation. I oppose the absolute lack of consideration for ORV 
enthusiasts in the measure to lock down Public lands.

> Those who have
>been impacted by an understanding of how the natural world works
>(greens/environmentalists) know they have an incredibly large
>reponsibility, simply because they know that thing are not all right. 

Impacted? In what way.. I have seen hordes of people like yourself looking 
for intrinsic reward, few that have any real experience. 

How was the judgement of "things are not all right" made? Also, your
comment that only the Green's have a responsibility stinks of simple 
arrogance.

>By
>the way, multi-use isn't working.  How do we know?, because species are
>going extinct at unprecidented rates.  

Where is it not working and why, be specific. past that your remark is  
parroted eco-babble.

>We know that wild animals need
>undisturbed open space.  

Tell that to the Coyotes and Bobcats that eat the pet's of Suburbanites.
Also, do you have any ideas on how to keep the Bears out the trashcans
in resort areas? In each instance the critters descend out of their habitat
to visit us human's.

>Our already excessive development has moved into
>every wild place on the planet.

Lie! Not true.. You have been watching "Captain Planet" to much.

Your babbling again.. I never, ever said that I did not care about future
generations. 

>It just so happens that the desert is a very delicate place
>and the home to many threatened species. 

Like the Desert Tortoise?  Your bretheren claimed ORV's were the 
chief reason that problem, lately studies indicate that the raven
population are predators that do not recognize tortoise wilderness area
designations.

>ORV's specifically destroy the
>thin layer of soil which provides a life zone in an already stressfull
>environment. 

What about the topsoil at the washes, river bottoms and sand dunes,
or the lava beds? 

>The Bill seeks to protect these areas from irresponsible
>growth in the desert and specifically further protect places like Joshua
>NM and Death Vally NM. 

Great!  Protect Joshua and Death Valley.. Do the same for Afton Canyon,
Mitchell Caverns and the old Railroad building in Kelso. However, a
continutation of the -Big Environmental Lie- that all ORV's and their
operators are irresponsible land rapists will prove to be nothing
but your detriment.

>We have to set aside places where wild remains wild.  ORV's are an
>intrusion into one of the last places left in So. Cal like this.

So, you say.. 

Again my question.. Why 8 million acres? Some of these areas will
never,ever be visited by man, and many areas will only be visited by 
elitists that can afford expensive guides and pack trains to reach
the interior regions. By last presentation, this bill even locks out 
access to wheelchairs.

>Well...If you think it doesn't apply to you, or that it doesn't matter,
>then that is your misunderstanding. 

I am absolutely certain, that the degree of environmental issue you
babble about will not effect me. Hell, I'm still waiting for the doom and 
gloom prophicies made by your kind 30 years ago.

>The Desert Protection Act was passed
>in order to establish a special place as such- and off limits to
>destructive activities.  

Again, why 8 million acres?

>I recommend two readings: Biodiversity, Editor E.O Wilson for
>understanding the reality of and urgency of wildlands protection.

I recommend 'Eco Scam' by Ronald Bailey. 

Patrick J. Chicas