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Article #7968Cultists
From: Michael Smith
Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1993 18:57
Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1993 18:57
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This is a repost; sorry if anybody gets it twice.
>DATE: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 00:08:27 GMT
>FROM: Alan McGowen <alanm@hpindda.cup.hp.com>
[....]
>Talk of "rights" always sets off fundamentalists
>like [name deleted] who will
>immediately (and with almost no individual variation) tell you exactly
>which rights "really" exist and which don't.
[....]
Reading the various "environment" groups, I've been quite puzzled by the
amount of attention that people are willing to lavish on these market
cultists, Randites, Libertarians, and the like.
Presumably most of the people who participate in these groups do so
because they're interested in the topic. But there is no public forum
without its resident crank -- some poor guy with a fetus in a bottle, or a
densely printed tract about UFOs. They're not always as truculent and
ill-bred as the individual Alan was responding to, but there's no use
trying to talk even to the polite ones.
Net-users may be more susceptible than other people to
these cloud-cuckoo-land discussions of property rights in the air, etc.,
by virtue of our educational and vocational background. Lots of us are
in the computer business and have some training in math or science. So
the intellectual gamesmanship of devising policy mechanisms
given certain arbitrary assumptions (like reliance on
market forces) has the same kind of appeal some people find in chess
problems. Is mate in three moves possible? Is it possible if the bishop
must be moved first? And so on.
But I would urge that we resist the temptation. We have real problems to
talk about, and real social forces to deal with. In spite of all the
rhetoric about decentralization and freedom, people who are deeply
committed to property rights and suburban-cowboy "individualism"
ultimately have little if anything in common with anybody who's really
interested in constructive social change. They will always end up
preferring the status quo over any *actual* challenge to it ("Yeah, I'm
an environmentalist, but not if it involves taxes.").
Let the hecklers rage, and the cultists walk their dogma unchallenged;
that's what kill files are for.
--Michael Smith
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