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Article #892Discussion on Pollution
From: mcs
Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 10:18
Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 10:18
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If anything Karen , I tried to give you fair warning. If, for example, for some reason, I was more sensitive to the air, be it because of prior smoking or not, then I just tried take the information from my brain and correlated the differences in the air in Philly (on most days) with the air in clean places like the shore or upstate New York Mountains or Hawaii and it was extremely easy for me to warn people in this region of the consequences I found from those comparisons. Again , if your hypothesis is, because I smoked, I am less able to breathe well because of that and that only, then the other factors I mentioned shouldn't play into in . Like the American Lung Association rating of F, or the Epa finding or that other scientist correlating Lung Cancer to soot and smoke from power plants and If Philly is around allot of those Power plants, it certainly has nothing to do with me smoking or not. I didn't coerce those people and organizations to do or say those things. If anything my hypothesis about Philly air came before I even knew of those offical stats, so maybe you should think I am more sensitive to the differences maybe? Finally take a look at a recent news piece of Alzheimer's risk and its possible causes: Gandy admitted that the amyloid hypothesis isn't the only one being rigorously pursued by the medical community. "There are other models -- potential explanations -- for what causes Alzheimer's," he said. "Some researchers are looking closely at abnormal oxidation and the role it may play in the aging of brain cells, for example." "There is some evidence that the accumulated damage from oxidation could result in the cognitive impairments characteristic of this disease, just as oxidation affects the condition of other cells in the body." Gandy also pointed out that evidence is building about what he termed "softer" factors related to Alzheimer's risk and its reduction. "Lifestyle factors," he said. "It's become clear that lifestyle factors that are bad for the heart are also bad for the brain. Cholesterol, obesity, diabetes -- these take their toll on the brain. Living a healthy, mentally and physically active lifestyle turns out to be a fairly good way to protect brain cells and, potentially, prevent Alzheimer's." while the person didn't say clean air, one could easily envision that last aspect to be just as important with a little trying.So , I gave you my findings, and if anything I am convinced instead of downplaying what I am saying or what the epa is saying , its time to work to see how this city or state or Govt can help us prolong our better existence and maximize our life. If negative things keep happening like violence and people getting sick, ask yourself, what if you promoted our govt to get things done to clean your air instead of telling yourself its not important. I assume if you have business here or family or homes you have to somehow rationalize all this in order to feel your doing the best you can. I suggest yes , move or fight for a better Philadelphia or Pa or USA by urging officals to do more IMMEDIATELY to clean our air. Trust Me Karen and everybody reading this in NY/ Philly/ Washington,DC/, its a matter of life and death ( or early death) for you and your family NOW, its that bad. We must do more to clean the emissions from powerplants and our cars and buses now. Not five years from now, now.Your families depend on sane societies to develop, this is urgent. the air is worse then I ever imagined it to be often enough. We are literally dying earlier then we should had sane government done more earliers. We have things now in place to help with the safety of our people but we don't force our elected officals to do anything News medial has stonewalled any effort to see these correlations. Kerry was out boating in some Atlantic hidaway and could have countered Bushs dismal environmental record but didn't. I know Kerrry mean well but for some reason he , like the press simply ignore the health of millions of people . ( remember many experts now say even exercising in moderate pollution days will do more harm then not exercising at all.For many cities on east coast, thats the only alterantive on many days). When they say go out and exercise , what the heck do they expect people to do if they live in places without clean air? I wish that was the only negative I had to talk about but its not. EPA gave the list of cities and metropolitan areas living in unacceptable air and your local druggest can attest to the number of people taking asthma medications. So when does a society or news then go about ignoring all this or our health, in difference to a piece on plastic surgery or a recall for a plastic part that may injure then children? What freaking world am I living in? Has the world gone insane ? Is Bush insane? "Lifestyle factors," he said. " "Karen Y Byrd" <kybyrd@pobox.upenn.edu> wrote in message news:slrncsoc1h.c9f.kybyrd@pobox.upenn.edu... > On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 16:02:50 GMT, mcs <mcs@yahoo.com> wrote: > > >> I don't think posters are challenging your premise that > >> there's pollution; we all know there is. But if you > >> smoked in the past it makes your argument a little > >> less valid. Now if you have never smoked that would > >> make it completely different. > >> > >> KByrd > >> Its totally amazing how your fixated on me. Not the EPA, the American Lung > >Association , not the number of people who are getting asthma medications, > >but because I smoked, all the other things or organizations are bogus too? > > I'm saying that since you smoked you must factor in having smoked > wrt your lung problem as should other smokers who have lung problems. > So it's not just about general air pollution. > > For instance I smoked when I was a teenager. I stopped 35 years > ago. BUT if at some point if I develop a lung disease, I will > factor in having smoked. > > I'm not attacking you... if that's how it sounds, I apologize. > > KByrd > "Karen Y Byrd" <kybyrd@pobox.upenn.edu> wrote in message news:slrncsoc1h.c9f.kybyrd@pobox.upenn.edu... > On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 16:02:50 GMT, mcs <mcs@yahoo.com> wrote: > > >> I don't think posters are challenging your premise that > >> there's pollution; we all know there is. But if you > >> smoked in the past it makes your argument a little > >> less valid. Now if you have never smoked that would > >> make it completely different. > >> > >> KByrd > >> Its totally amazing how your fixated on me. Not the EPA, the American Lung > >Association , not the number of people who are getting asthma medications, > >but because I smoked, all the other things or organizations are bogus too? > > I'm saying that since you smoked you must factor in having smoked > wrt your lung problem as should other smokers who have lung problems. > So it's not just about general air pollution. > > For instance I smoked when I was a teenager. I stopped 35 years > ago. BUT if at some point if I develop a lung disease, I will > factor in having smoked. > > I'm not attacking you... if that's how it sounds, I apologize. > > KByrd >
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