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Re: John Kerry - Self Admitted War-Criminal...

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From: Thelasian
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 22:50
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hydratwo@aol.com (Hydratwo) wrote in message news:<20041121100035.06270.00000471@mb-m23.aol.com>...
> >Subject: Re: John Kerry - Self Admitted War-Criminal...
> >From: "Ken [NY]" email@Below.Text 
> >Date: 11/21/04 8:53 AM Eastern Standard Time
> >Message-id: <ou61q0pffu1l6sfimio6omp6plr8l2sd5s@4ax.com>
> >
> >On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 09:21:00 -0500, "V.Simkins"
> ><nospamplease@sorrynoemail.com> claims:
> >
> >>> Yes, I do.  Apparently better than you.  WMD was not THE reason for the
>  war.
> >>> Maybe if you tried you could find out there were more than several reason
> >>> given.
> >>
> >>i won't deny that Bush had more "reasons" up his sleeve.... but the
> >>possibility of the usage of WMDs was the ONLY reason given to go to war to
> >>the public, AT THE TIME IT WAS FIRST STARTED.
> >
> >	Well, why not see what President Bush said on the eve of the
> >invasion of Iraq - to the people of Iraq? Let's see if his speech
> >overwhelmingly was about WMD:
> >
> >
> > Many Iraqis can hear me tonight in a translated radio broadcast, and
> >I have a message for them. If we must begin a military campaign, it
> >will be directed against the lawless men who rule your country and not
> >against you. As our coalition takes away their power, we will deliver
> >the food and medicine you need. We will tear down the apparatus of
> >terror and we will help you to build a new Iraq that is prosperous and
> >free. In a free Iraq, there will be no more wars of aggression against
> >your neighbors, no more poison factories, no more executions of
> >dissidents, no more torture chambers and rape rooms. The tyrant will
> >soon be gone. The day of your liberation is near.
> >
> >It is too late for Saddam Hussein to remain in power. It is not too
> >late for the Iraqi military to act with honor and protect your country
> >by permitting the peaceful entry of coalition forces to eliminate
> >weapons of mass destruction. Our forces will give Iraqi military units
> >clear instructions on actions they can take to avoid being attacked
> >and destroyed. I urge every member of the Iraqi military and
> >intelligence services, if war comes, do not fight for a dying regime
> >that is not worth your own life.
> >
> >And all Iraqi military and civilian personnel should listen carefully
> >to this warning. In any conflict, your fate will depend on your
> >action. Do not destroy oil wells, a source of wealth that belongs to
> >the Iraqi people. Do not obey any command to use weapons of mass
> >destruction against anyone, including the Iraqi people. War crimes
> >will be prosecuted. War criminals will be punished. And it will be no
> >defense to say, "I was just following orders."
> >
> >Should Saddam Hussein choose confrontation, the American people can
> >know that every measure has been taken to avoid war, and every measure
> >will be taken to win it. Americans understand the costs of conflict
> >because we have paid them in the past. War has no certainty, except
> >the certainty of sacrifice.
> >
> >Yet, the only way to reduce the harm and duration of war is to apply
> >the full force and might of our military, and we are prepared to do
> >so. If Saddam Hussein attempts to cling to power, he will remain a
> >deadly foe until the end. In desperation, he and terrorists groups
> >might try to conduct terrorist operations against the American people
> >and our friends. These attacks are not inevitable. They are, however,
> >possible. And this very fact underscores the reason we cannot live
> >under the threat of blackmail. The terrorist threat to America and the
> >world will be diminished the moment that Saddam Hussein is disarmed.
> >
> >Our government is on heightened watch against these dangers. Just as
> >we are preparing to ensure victory in Iraq, we are taking further
> >actions to protect our homeland. In recent days, American authorities
> >have expelled from the country certain individuals with ties to Iraqi
> >intelligence services. Among other measures, I have directed
> >additional security of our airports, and increased Coast Guard patrols
> >of major seaports. The Department of Homeland Security is working
> >closely with the nation's governors to increase armed security at
> >critical facilities across America.
> >
> >Should enemies strike our country, they would be attempting to shift
> >our attention with panic and weaken our morale with fear. In this,
> >they would fail. No act of theirs can alter the course or shake the
> >resolve of this country. We are a peaceful people -- yet we're not a
> >fragile people, and we will not be intimidated by thugs and killers.
> >If our enemies dare to strike us, they and all who have aided them,
> >will face fearful consequences.
> >
> >We are now acting because the risks of inaction would be far greater.
> >In one year, or five years, the power of Iraq to inflict harm on all
> >free nations would be multiplied many times over. With these
> >capabilities, Saddam Hussein and his terrorist allies could choose the
> >moment of deadly conflict when they are strongest. We choose to meet
> >that threat now, where it arises, before it can appear suddenly in our
> >skies and cities.
> >
> >The cause of peace requires all free nations to recognize new and
> >undeniable realities. In the 20th century, some chose to appease
> >murderous dictators, whose threats were allowed to grow into genocide
> >and global war. In this century, when evil men plot chemical,
> >biological and nuclear terror, a policy of appeasement could bring
> >destruction of a kind never before seen on this earth.
> >
> >Terrorists and terror states do not reveal these threats with fair
> >notice, in formal declarations -- and responding to such enemies only
> >after they have struck first is not self-defense, it is suicide. The
> >security of the world requires disarming Saddam Hussein now.
> >
> >As we enforce the just demands of the world, we will also honor the
> >deepest commitments of our country. Unlike Saddam Hussein, we believe
> >the Iraqi people are deserving and capable of human liberty. And when
> >the dictator has departed, they can set an example to all the Middle
> >East of a vital and peaceful and self-governing nation.
> >
> >The United States, with other countries, will work to advance liberty
> >and peace in that region. Our goal will not be achieved overnight, but
> >it can come over time. The power and appeal of human liberty is felt
> >in every life and every land. And the greatest power of freedom is to
> >overcome hatred and violence, and turn the creative gifts of men and
> >women to the pursuits of peace.
> >
> >That is the future we choose. Free nations have a duty to defend our
> >people by uniting against the violent. And tonight, as we have done
> >before, America and our allies accept that responsibility.
> >
> >Good night, and may God continue to bless America.
> >
> >END 8:15 P.M. EST
> >
> >
> >Cordially,
> >Ken (NY)
> >
> >email: http://www.geocities.com/bluesguy68/email.htm
> >spammers can send mail to uce@ftc.gov
> >
> >http://www.flowgo.com/funpages/view.cfm/6402
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> Here is the speech from Shrub to American people that are paying for his
> stupidity. As copied from PA GOP site.
> 
> Remarks by the President on Iraq
> Cincinnati Museum Center - Cincinnati Union Terminal
> Cincinnati, Ohio 
> 
>  
> 
> 8:02 P.M. EDT 
> 
> THE PRESIDENT: Thank you all. Thank you for that very gracious and warm
> Cincinnati welcome. I'm honored to be here tonight; I appreciate you all
> coming. 
> 
> Tonight I want to take a few minutes to discuss a grave threat to peace, and
> America's determination to lead the world in confronting that threat. 
> 
> The threat comes from Iraq. It arises directly from the Iraqi regime's own
> actions -- its history of aggression, and its drive toward an arsenal of
> terror. Eleven years ago, as a condition for ending the Persian Gulf War, the
> Iraqi regime was required to destroy its weapons of mass destruction, to cease
> all development of such weapons, and to stop all support for terrorist groups.
> The Iraqi regime has violated all of those obligations. It possesses and
> produces chemical and biological weapons. It is seeking nuclear weapons. It has
> given shelter and support to terrorism, and practices terror against its own
> people. The entire world has witnessed Iraq's eleven-year history of defiance,
> deception and bad faith. 
> 
> We also must never forget the most vivid events of recent history. On September
> the 11th, 2001, America felt its vulnerability -- even to threats that gather
> on the other side of the earth. We resolved then, and we are resolved today, to
> confront every threat, from any source, that could bring sudden terror and
> suffering to America. 
> 
> Members of the Congress of both political parties, and members of the United
> Nations Security Council, agree that Saddam Hussein is a threat to peace and
> must disarm. We agree that the Iraqi dictator must not be permitted to threaten
> America and the world with horrible poisons and diseases and gases and atomic
> weapons. Since we all agree on this goal, the issues is : how can we best
> achieve it? 
> 
> Many Americans have raised legitimate questions: about the nature of the
> threat; about the urgency of action -- why be concerned now; about the link
> between Iraq developing weapons of terror, and the wider war on terror. These
> are all issues we've discussed broadly and fully within my administration. And
> tonight, I want to share those discussions with you. 
> 
> First, some ask why Iraq is different from other countries or regimes that also
> have terrible weapons. While there are many dangers in the world, the threat
> from Iraq stands aloe -- because it gathers the most serious dangers of our age
> in one place. Iraq's weapons of mass destruction are controlled by a murderous
> tyrant who has already used chemical weapons to kill thousands of people. This
> same tyrant has tried to dominate the Middle East, has invaded and brutally
> occupied a small neighbor, has struck other nations without warning, and holds
> an unrelenting hostility toward the United States. 
> 
> By its past and present actions, by its technological capabilities, by the
> merciless nature of its regime, Iraq is unique. As a former chief weapons
> inspector of the U.N. has said, "The fundamental problem with Iraq remains the
> nature of the regime, itself. Saddam Hussein is a homicidal dictator who is
> addicted to weapons of mass destruction." 
> 
> Some ask how urgent this danger is to America and the world. The danger is
> already significant, and it only grows worse with time. If we know Saddam
> Hussein has dangerous weapons today -- and we do -- does it make any sense for
> the world to wait to confront him as he grows even stronger and develops even
> more dangerous weapons? 
> 
> In 1995, after several years of deceit by the Iraqi regime, the head of Iraq's
> military industries defected. It was then that the regime was forced to admit
> that it had produced more than 30,000 liters of anthrax and other deadly
> biological agents. The inspectors, however, concluded that Iraq had likely
> produced two to four times that amount. This is a massive stockpile of
> biological weapons that has never been accounted for, and capable of killing
> millions. 
> 
> We know that the regime has produced thousands of tons of chemical agents,
> including mustard gas, sarin nerve gas, VX nerve gas. Saddam Hussein also has
> experience in using chemical weapons. He has ordered chemical attacks on Iran,
> and on more than forty villages in his own country. These actions killed or
> injured at least 20,000 people, 


All the time that Saddam was killing his own people with chemical
weapons, the US was backing and supporting Saddam Hussein, and in 1982
the Reagan Administatration even REMOVED Saddam's Iraq from the State
Dept list of terrorist nations, so as to ease the transfer of funds,
arms and chemical/bio weapons components to him.
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