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>Subject: Re: John Kerry - Self Admitted War-Criminal...
>From: "Ken [NY]" email@Below.Text 
>Date: 11/19/04 10:55 PM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <erftp01h3cefo6u7n695nnuvv8q0lj5kf0@4ax.com>
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>On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 16:49:20 -0500, "Ian St. John"
><istjohn@noemail.usa> claims:
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>>Ken [NY] wrote:
>>> On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 17:00:48 -0500, "Ian St. John"
>>> <istjohn@noemail.usa> claims:
>>>
>>>>>  All that has changed for the better, and Ian
>>>>> credits bin-Laden?
>>>>
>>>> Nope. The sarcasm passed you by? I am pointing out that Bush Baby did
>>>> nothing but play golf and play stupid while the troops did the work.
>>>
>>> It's called "command" as in Commander in Chief.
>>
>>No. Commander in chief is a title, not a description. You don't 'command' by
>>signing a bill. Do you think that General George Patton 'commanded' troops
>>by sitting at a desk, writing his name and calling a press conference?
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>	Patton was a field general, not a civilian president. God, you
>are confused.
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>>> Can you name
>>> any recent president who led troops into battle? Did Clinton actually
>>> fire that missile that blew up the asprin factory? Was Carter flying
>>> one of those choppers that crashed into other choppers during the
>>> failed operation to free the Iranian hostages? Give us a break.
>>
>>Try using your head for a change.
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>	Try answering for a change.
>
>>Bushs leadership extended only a small ways into setting in motion the army
>>that was built up by generations before him. Unlike Alexander the Great, his
>>inheritance of a mighty miltary machine did not make him a Commander but
>>only someone who can order thiings done by those who DO command.
>
>	Bush was, and is, thanks to the American voters, Commander in
>Chief. Try to spin it anyway you want. He has been criticized by the
>left for issuing the commands that sent troops into Iraq, yet now he
>is being criticized for not issuing commands? You are losing it. You
>can't have it both ways.
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>Cordially,
>Ken (NY)
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Ken:

It is amazing how this thread continues in an environmental newsgroup. Guess
the bottom line is who is a traitor to Vietnam vets? As one (Bien Hoa, 69)
these mothers that used influence others did not have are the ones. The CIC for
Bush stands for 
CHICKENHAWK IN CHARGE

Subject:  Those Who Served 

"You fucking son of a bitch. I saw what you wrote. We're not going to forget 
this."   
-George W. Bush to writer and editor Al Hunt, 1988   

Democrats
Richard Gephardt: Air National Guard, 1965-71.
David Bonior: Staff Sgt., Air Force 1968-72.
Tom Daschle: 1st Lt., Air Force SAC 1969-72.
Al Gore: enlisted Aug. 1969; sent to Vietnam Jan. 1971 as an army  
journalist in 20th Engineer Brigade.
Bob Kerrey: Lt. j.g. Navy 1966-69; Medal of Honor, Vietnam.
Daniel Inouye: Army 1943-'47; Medal of Honor, WWII.
John Kerry: Lt., Navy 1966-70; Silver Star, Bronze Star with Combat V 
Purple Hearts.
John Edwards: did not serve.
Charles Rangel: Staff Sgt., Army 1948-52; Bronze Star, Korea.
Max Cleland: Captain, Army 1965-68; Silver Star & Bronze Star, Vietnam.
Ted Kennedy: Army, 1951-1953.
Tom Harkin: Lt., Navy, 1962-67; Naval Reserve, 1968-74.
Jack Reed: Army Ranger, 1971-1979; Captain, Army Reserve 1979-91.
Fritz Hollings: Army officer in WWII, receiving the Bronze Star and seven  
campaign ribbons.
Leonard Boswell: Lt. Col., Army 1956-76; Vietnam, DFCs, Bronze Stars, and 
Soldier's Medal.
Pete Peterson: Air Force Captain, POW. Purple Heart, Silver Star and 
Legion of Merit.
Mike Thompson: Staff sergeant, 173rd Airborne, Purple Heart.
Bill McBride: Candidate for Fla. Governor. Marine in Vietnam; Bronze Star 
with Combat V.
Gray Davis: Army Captain in Vietnam, Bronze Star.
Pete Stark: Air Force 1955-57
Chuck Robb: Vietnam
Howell Heflin: Silver Star
George McGovern: Silver Star & DFC during WWII.
Bill Clinton: Did not serve. Student deferments. Entered draft but drew 
lottery # 311.
Jimmy Carter: Seven years in the Navy.
Walter Mondale: Army 1951-1953
John Glenn: WWII and Korea; six DFCs and Air Medal with 18 Clusters.
Tom Lantos: Served in Hungarian underground in WWII. Saved by Raoul 
Wallenberg.
Wesley Clark: U.S. Army, 1966-2000, West Point, Vietnam, Purple Heart, 
Silver Star. Retired 4-star general.
John Dingell: WWII vet John Conyers: Army 1950-57, Korea

> > > > > >

Republicans
Dennis Hastert: did not serve.
Tom Delay: did not serve.
Roy Blunt (House Whip): did not serve.
Bill Frist: did not serve.
Rudy Giuliani: did not serve.
George Pataki: did not serve.
Mitch McConnell: did not serve.
Rick Santorum: did not serve.
Trent Lott: did not serve.
Dick Cheney: did not serve. Several deferments, the last by marriage.
John Ashcroft: did not serve. Seven\deferments to teach business.
Jeb Bush: did not serve.
Karl Rove: did not serve.
Saxby Chambliss: did not serve. "Bad knee." (the man who attacked  Max 
Cleland's patriotism).
Paul Wolfowitz: did not serve.
Vin Weber: did not serve.
Richard Perle: did not serve.
Douglas Feith: did not serve.
Eliot Abrams: did not serve.
Richard Shelby: did not serve.
Jon Kyl: did not serve.
Tim Hutchison: did not serve.
Christopher Cox: did not serve.
Newt Gingrich: did not serve.
Don Rumsfeld: served in Navy (1954-57) as aviator and flight
instructor.
George W. Bush: six-year Nat'l Guard commitment (incomplete).
Ronald Reagan: due to poor eyesight, served in a non-combat role making 
movies.
Gerald Ford: Navy, WWII
Phil Gramm: did not serve.
John McCain: Silver Star, Bronze Star, Legion of Merit, Purple Heart  and 
Distinguished Flying Cross.
Bob Dole: an honorable veteran.
Chuck Hagel: two Purple Hearts and a Bronze Star, Vietnam.
Jeff Sessions: Army Reserves, 1973-1986
JC Watts: did not serve.
Lindsey Graham: National Guard lawyer.
G.H.W. Bush: Pilot in WWII. Shot down by the Japanese.
Tom Ridge: Bronze Star for Valor in Vietnam.
Antonin Scalia: did not serve.
Clarence Thomas: did not serve
Pundits and Preachers
Sean Hannity: did not serve.
Rush Limbaugh: did not serve
Bill O'Reilly: did not serve.
Michael Savage: did not serve.
George Will: did not serve.
Chris Matthews: did not serve.
Paul Gigot: did not serve.
Bill Bennett: did not serve.
Pat Buchanan: did not serve.
Bill Kristol: did not serve.
Kenneth Starr: did not serve.
Michael Medved: did not serve.



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