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Article #984Re: Indian v Western Civilization: Are we stupid, or what?
From: Floyd L. Davidson
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 22:42
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 22:42
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Gatos Loco <gatosloco@hotmail.com> wrote: >On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 00:02:24 -0800, floyd@barrow.com (Floyd L. >Davidson) wrote: >>> >>>AND...As far as hunting animals to extinction. I have seen evidence to >>>support the facts. There is some evidence presented at the state >>>historic museum in carson city Nevada. >> >>So name just one single animal that was hunted to extinction by >>Native people. Just one! > >There was a sloth like creature, and I can't remember it's name, that >inhabited the plains along the eastern slop of the Seirra that was >hunted to extinction. > >Your earlie clovis remarks are well placed however you will recognize >the significance of a clovis point being a big game tool as oppsed to >say a bird point made for hunting small animals. However climate >surely ushered the demise of many cretures. So the evidence is that an animal went extinct, and there were humans in North America at the same time. That is no evidence at all. In fact, I doubt there is any real evidence that said animal was even hunted by humans! The one and only large animal from that period that we can be somewhat (but perhaps not very) certain was hunted is the mammoth. They've actually found one or two of them with spear points embedded in them. The others are purely speculation... (And when that speculation gets to the point of claiming something was hunted to extinction it is much closer to fabrication.) Finding bones of an animal carved up in a cave does *not* equate to proof that the animal was hunted and killed by humans. It merely proves that a dead specimen was carved up. When relatively newer middens are excavated it is pretty easy to determine what percentage of the diet certain animals provided. Hence on Greenland 4000 years ago we know that Eskimos ate a lot of seals, but not so many whales; and that in more recent times they increased the number of whales taken. But when looking at artifacts from 7 to 15 thousand years ago, they are lucky to find a mere few identifiable bones, and it generally does not present sufficient information to make the same determinations. As I said, there simply is no evidence that actually supports a claim that Native Americans hunted even one single animal to extinction. -- FloydL. Davidson <http://web.newsguy.com/floyd_davidson> Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) floyd@barrow.com
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