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Article #993Re: Indian v Western Civilization: Are we stupid, or what?
From: DonQuijote1954
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 00:21
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 00:21
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Gatos Loco <gatosloco@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<105jl0l6kvin25u2j4pjvv8mkaqob55oi4@4ax.com>... > >But Columbus came looking for something else besides trade. He came > >looking to get rich. While the Indians traded before, I'd doubt their > >most sophisticated merchants came close to the GREED in the Europeans. > >Is it not? > > Actually a trade route is exactly what Columbus was looking for. I > can't think of a more shinning example of greed than the Spanish > Conquistadors. I'll have ome gold with a side order of gold, and while > your at it follow our God or I'll chop off your hands. > > GL Their story has its moral for today's world though... "Aguirre and those who follow him are ultimately destroyed by their own delusions of grandeur; in the end, the world they're confronting is simply too large and complex to be encompassed by their petty plans and ambitions." <What would you like to come back as? King over the British? After Blair they will believe anything you tell them. Keep that review of Bush- pushing further and further to greater failure (madness). > Howdy Bader That's the fate of the lions: to drag everybody else and themselves into doom. If there's any consolation is that they'll meet their justice. They will be devoured by the jungle... "The film is based on an incident that occurred in the Andean highlands in the late sixteenth century. The party of Gonzalo Pizarro, seeking the fabled city of El Dorado, sends out a small scouting party, headed by the ostensibly valiant Don Pedro de Ursua (a very pretty Ruy Guerra). Disastrously, however, Ursua's deputy is the leering Don Lope de Aguirre (a credibly crazed Klaus Kinski). The rest of the party is assembled in classic epic fashion: we have the noble priest, Brother Gaspar de Carvajal; the token black man, Okello; the ostensibly noble but completely ineffectual nobleman, Don Fernando de Guzman; and a couple of damsels in distress, Ursua's wife Flores and Aguirre's daughter Inez. So far, we have what looks like a perfect opening for a rather stirring epic adventure, a la _The Seven Samurai_. But almost immediately, things begin to go wrong -- both with the expedition itself and with our expectations that this will prove to be an ordinary epic adventure. Following a deadly attack by local villagers, Aguirre takes advantage the confusion and distress to stage a mutiny. He believes that the party can find El Dorado on their own, and set up a vast empire, not answerable to Spain. Abandoning all ties to Spain and Pizarro, Aguirre leads his party farther down the river through greater and greater hardships, all the while seeking the elusive El Dorado. I don't think I'm giving away too much to say that things end very badly for all concerned. The centerpiece of the story is the figure of Aguirre, played with crazed demonism by Klaus Kinski. He's terrifying in the part -- his lips contort underneath cold blue eyes that convey a ruthlessness that slips, not so slowly, into insanity. By placing him and his arrogant delusions about himself and the environment he finds himself in, Herzog seems to be criticizing the entirety of Western culture, from imperialism to Nazism to the American occupation of Vietnam. Aguirre and those who follow him are ultimately destroyed by their own delusions of grandeur; in the end, the world they're confronting is simply too large and complex to be encompassed by their petty plans and ambitions." http://reviews.imdb.com/Reviews/120/12030
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