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On 25 Sep 2004 08:55:04 -0700, blsepe@yahoo.com (Laurie) wrote:

>Gatos Loco <gatosloco@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<dnr9l0dpgt1njio2bj2ir5ddbto5mumqnr@4ax.com>...
>> On 22 Sep 2004 23:36:38 -0700, christocbd@aol.com (fencingsax) wrote:
>> 
>> >nolionnoproblem@hotmail.com (DonQuijote1954) wrote in message news:<4e4a3f58.0409221037.78a9be41@posting.google.com>...
>> >> > > The Indians knew how to live with the land, and we beat them, and then
>> >> > > beat Nature, and finally we will beat ourselves to death. Hey,
>> >> > > hallelujah!!!
>> >> > >
>> >> >   Actually they were very hard on the land.  Slash and burn agriculture is
>> >> > not sustainable.
>> >> 
>> >> They may have been ignorant, but not stupid the way we are, that,
>> >> knowingly, shit where we sleep. Even cats and dogs are not that
>> >> stupid.
>> >> 
>> >> Hey, but you have to "survive" somehow in the jungle, and also keeping
>> >> up with the Joneses is no small matter, right?
>> >> 
>> >> http://committed.to/justiceforpeace
>> >
>> >They weren't stupid, they just didn't need technology.
>> 
>> Even without "technology" they managed to hunt several species to
>> extinction. And contrary to the belief that  they just lived in peace
>> and harmony... They also fought amongst themselves quite a bit. In
>> fact many of these tribal disputes continue today, now they take the
>> form of land disputes and such.  Which then makes a convinient excuse
>> for the gov to settle such disputes by land confiscation.
>> 
>> Probably did less damage because they didn't have any real beasts of
>> burden until horses were introduced. Whith the exception of lamas of
>> course. And there weapons were simple. Military campaigns aren't as
>> easy when you have to walk and carry all of your goods with you.
>> 
>> The Aztecs enslaved many members of small tribes. Which then prompted
>> many of these tribes to fight alongside the spanish when they
>> destroyed there empire.
>> 
>> When you look at the fact the most of the rest of humanity on the
>> globe was exposed to each other for such a long time the transfer of
>> technology between these people was vast. Mostly the chinese invented
>> everything and then a lot of europeans took credit for inventing it.  
>> 
>> Indians had a lot of calender technology. As well as other means of
>> survival. Saying they were ignorant is kind of pointless though.
>> Unfamiliar with EuroAsian cultures perhaps. But they managed to create
>> somewhat complex societies.  
>>  
>> They werent just innocent peaceful beings though.
>> But if you feel better believing it was all a peace and harmony thing,
>> and that prompts you to live more peacefully don't let me stop you.
>> You are probably better off that way. 
>> 
>> Cheers
>> Gato Loco
>
>The Indians were far from ignorant.  We may look at their society as
>being complex but that's just because we're spoiled.

I wasn't saying they were ignorant. I was saying they were unfamiliar
with AEuroAsian socieities.... So I don't know if you were talking
about what I said or the person before me.

Just clarifying. 

Ignorance is relative only to a specific idea of what intellegence is.
There are plenty of people who claim to be civilized that could be
considered completely ignorant to natural process. IMO 

cheers
Gato Loco