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Kyle --

I want to thank you for defending our good name.  We are not associated with
Mike Haas in any way.  He does envy
our success though and enjoys bashing any pro-gun group other than the NRA.
He did appropriate www.calnra.com in a weak effort to fool people into
thinking they reached our site www.calnra.org. BTW, I am an NRA life member.
You cannot change any organization you don't belong to.

The NRA has made some serious blunders in the past like supporting
background checks.  To this day they still support them despite the fact
that to date less than 12 persons have been convicted.  Millions of gun
owners have to WAIT days or weeks to purchase a firearm and hardly any
criminals are prosecuted.

Imagine this scenario. A criminal tries to buy a gun through a licensed FFL.
Through the background process they discover his criminal record.  They tell
the criminal, everything is OK come and pick up your gun on monday.  When
the criminal shows up, the police cuff the guy and drag him away.  Why
doesn't this happen?  The government says they would be hit by an avalanche
of wrongful arrest suits because their records are so bad there is a 50-50
chance they MADE A MISTAKE.
In my opinion that makes the NRA position even worse.  We inconvenience
millions of gun owners with waiting periods, we don't prosecute any
criminals, and the records are so poor, the chances are they can't even
figure out who should and should not be able to purchase a firearm.  YET THE
NRA SUPPORTS BACKGROUND CHECKS.

Another recent blunder was supporting Jones in California for Governor even
though my dog had a better chance of winning the primary.  Simon was the man
to support, obviously.  They could have simply endorsed NO ONE and come out
of it better.

So the bottom line is ALL PRO-gun groups make some errors.  GOA and GOC are
more "in your face" gun groups than the NRA and certainly have their place.
Why fight among ourselves when there are so many better targets like
anti-gunners around??  Mike likes to waste people's time with his bs.  Don't
take the bait!  He needs the time anyway to make more videos.

Jim - www.calnra.org


kbellis3 <kbellis3@linkline.com> wrote in message
news:ueh5m1rk6l84dc@corp.supernews.com...
> Let me defend the Cal NRA website www.calnra.org  by saying that to my
> knowledge they have nothing to do with Mike Haas. The Cal NRA website
> www.calnra.org is the original site started independently to directed
> interested California NRA members, gun owners and others to specific web
> stories that would interest them. They are independent of the NRA and are
a
> good group of guy who volunteer their time to perform a service.
>
> While Mike has tried to use the familiarity of the Calnra site to by using
> the website www.calnra.com to link into the sites the Mike helps run. This
> www.calnra.com site is wholly different site from the Cal NRA site that
has
> been around for years.
>
> Kyle
>
> PS Check out the different sites and you will see that the .org site is
not
> one of  Mike Haas creations.
>
>
> "Sam A. Kersh" <sam.a.kersh@us.army.mil> wrote in message
> news:vupdeu09rute12hgvhmbp4oip8gv2in1kh@4ax.com...
> > On Sat, 18 May 2002 12:33:42 -0700, "Mike Haas" <mike@skyweyr.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >That's right, Sam - I told you about the tape.  Naturally, you believe
> HCI -
> > >after all, you believe GOA too, right?
> > >
> >
> > Mike, my believing HCI over you has to do partly with your credibility
> > and partly to other sources...
> >
> > >Speaking of which, and only because it *IS* the subject of the post, do
> you
> > >have any response to either the blatant incompetence or corruption
within
> > >GOA and GOC?
> > >
> >
> > Well, before there, do you have any response about why CalNRA-ILA went
> > against policy and backed on "A" candidate over another?  And why your
> > buddy, Paul Payne buried the Michael Crichton report?
> >
> > >Or are you going to continue to ignore it by bringing up non-sequiters
> and
> > >ad hominems, Sam?
> > >
> >
> > Mike, you are the one who's stooped to non-sequitars and character
> > assassination.  You do it every time you attack another pro-gun group
> > who shows how inept the CalNRA has become.
> >
> > >Oh, wait, Sam believes HCI over fellow gun-owners, will help GOA pounce
> on
> > >NRA with their "no compromise" crap, but is at A COMPLETE LOSS to
explain
> > >gun-rights betrayal by his own merry band of money-sponges.  I think I
> know
> > >the answer.
> > >
> >
> > Mike, I get far more pleas for money from the NRA in a month than I get
> > from GOA in a year...
> >
> > >And remember folks - the whole time GOA was supporting one of the
evilest
> > >anti-gun politicians America has seen, it was diverting those very same
> > >dollars from NRA (and *REAL* protection of the Second Amentment).
> > >
> >
> > And CalNRA or at least Mike is happy Gray Davis defeated Lundgren.  Boy,
> > that was some victory, Mike...
> >
> > >Funny how guys like Sam will attack me, but not even ask GOA "what the
> fu'?"
> > >AFter all, it's GOA that sold California gun-owners down the river, not
> me.
> > >
> >
> > Mike, I wouldn't be telling the truth about you and the CalNRA if you'd
> > stop your attacks on others.. You know that.
> >
> > >With no refutation of the GOA facts at this point, Sam has helped
> establish
> > >their credibility.  Much obliged, podner...
> > >
> >
> > And once again, Mike has shown he has nothing to offer but insults and
> > lies....  Unless maybe he's got another video tape to leak to HCI....
> > How about it, Mike?  Got one?
> >
> >
> > Sam A. Kersh
> > NRA Patron Member
> > L.E.A.A. Life Member
> > TSRA Life Member
> > GOA, JPFO, SAF
> > http://www.flash.net/~csmkersh/
> > ===============================================================
> >
> > Read Jeff Snyder's unabridged analysis of the S&W/HUD sellout
> > at http://communities.prodigy.net/sportsrec/jeffsnyder.html
>
>