🚀 go-pugleaf

RetroBBS NetNews Server

Inspired by RockSolid Light RIP Retro Guy

Article View: ca.general
Article #2061

Re: ENVIRONMENTAL TOBACCO SMOKE, 3

#2061
From: Jon Krueger
Date: Thu, 09 Nov 1995 00:00
42 lines
2706 bytes
> How did Glantz arrive at his figure of 50,000 NON-smokers killed by ETS
> caused heart attacks, etc.?

I'll be happy to provide the info, as is Stan, as have other
scientists and medical professionals.  It's publicly available
information.  (BTW, the "etc." is mostly lung cancer.)

Before I do, please confirm: you assert that this figure is
not supported by any scientific studies.  Not one.  Correct?

>> In fact, there's no shortage of data measuring the impact of smoking
>> on our hearts, lungs, and pocketbooks.  

> On yours, a nonsmoker?

Sure.  On all of ours.  Smoking takes its toll of disease, death, and
$billions of medical costs on both active and passive smokers, on
taxpayers and insurance premiums, on health care systems and
individuals.  We all pay.  Some pay with their money, some with their
health, and some with their lives.  Some get to pay with all three.
Meanwhile the tobacco industry makes hundreds of billions of dollars.

More information is available at http://www.njc.org/MFhtml/PSM_MF.html
and http://www.cancer.org/costs.html.  Or call your local American Lung
Assocation, American Cancer Society, or American Heart Assocation.
Health organizations have provided information on this for years.
It's not a mystery.

> All you have to do is accuse anyone who disagrees of taking tobacco money.

Would that it were so easy.  In reality, those who take tobacco
money have a habit of concealing the fact, for some reason.
Sometimes it's not clear for years where the money came from,
where it went, and what it bought.

But the truth usually comes out eventually.  The Brown and Williamson
archives, summarized in the July 19th JAMA, are available at
http://www.library.ucsf.edu/tobacco/index.html.  The reading on
tobacco industry money is perhaps the most interesting.  As Deep
Throat used to remind us, "follow the money".

-- Jon
Technical Details
Message-ID: <JPK.95Nov9122730@firefly.incog.com>
Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!unknown!not-for-mail
References: <479p67$cv6@covina.lightside.com> <199511060427.FAA13851@utopia.hacktic.nl>

Show Full Headers
Complete Article Headers
X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit
X-Google-Thread: 106ed4,779011c90af62756
X-Google-Attributes: gid106ed4,public
X-Google-Thread: 104eff,779011c90af62756
X-Google-Attributes: gid104eff,public
X-Google-Thread: f5696,779011c90af62756
X-Google-Attributes: gidf5696,public
X-Google-Thread: 10df74,779011c90af62756
X-Google-Attributes: gid10df74,public
From: jpk@firefly.incog.com (Jon Krueger)
Subject: Re: ENVIRONMENTAL TOBACCO SMOKE, 3
Date: 1995/11/09
Message-ID: <JPK.95Nov9122730@firefly.incog.com>
X-Deja-AN: 118988308
references: <479p67$cv6@covina.lightside.com> <199511060427.FAA13851@utopia.hacktic.nl>
followup-to: ca.general,ca.politics,ca.environment,alt.smokers
organization: Internet Commerce Group
newsgroups: ca.general,ca.politics,ca.environment,alt.smokers