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Article #21069ORANGE COUNTY - Losses Will Be WORSE!
From: Berton Corson
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 1994 02:25
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 1994 02:25
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My prediction is the final loss in Orange County, will probably be at least twice as large as what has been initially said already. Maybe THREE BILLION DOLLARS. No small change for this County of 2 million+ residents. Why I say this, is these brokerages had to sell in the past couple of days 9 billion dollars in securities to satisfy margin calls, in the fund. It would have been close to 12 billion, if Merrill Lynch had the guts to do the same. That's a huge amount of sales for a 1.5 billion loss in this derivitive/margin fund, or whatever it was. It was also disclosed that these sales were done at fire-sale prices, due to the poor market for bonds this week. That along with transaction fees, and the large amount of margin interest they had to pay while these positions were open (maybe over a year) further heightens my suspicion that the Orange County Board of Supervisors is low-balling the loss estimate. I'm also convinced that the Orange County Board of Supervisors really isn't aware of the types of investments, and risks, that Mr. Citron was making. Obviously, if they knew, they may have stopped him a long time ago. I'm also not sure if the Board is aware of some of the principles of options, derivitives, or margin trading. They've stated they want to sue these brokerages for selling all these securities during bankruptcy. While I'm no expert on the law, probably the brokerages were within their rights. I hope the Board realizes that if you have a margin loan in a brokerage account (which the fund was borrowing short term money backed by securities in the account to invest in longer-term bonds) that you must pay margin interest every day the position is open. This works OK if your investments are appreciating at a faster rate than your interest and transaction costs, but it compounds your losses if your investments are going the wrong way. The brokerages might have done the County a favor, by closing out some of these positions, thus stopping any further interest costs on bond investments that are already going bad on them. If I had a brokerage account and bought on margin, and the securities lost value to a point, I would have received a margin call from my brokerage, to add more money to my account. If I didn't, the brokerage would sell part of my position to satisfy the call. This is what probably happened in Orange County. Probably Mr. Citron did add more funds to the account to satisfy margin requirements. But he probably kept these huge positions open for a long time. Maybe a year. When buying on margin, an investor has to have discipline to set a fairly narrow loss limit. As your losses are magnified by the leverage you have and margin interest. Obviously, Mr. Citron kept believing the market would turn around. Unfortunately, the stockmarket will play havoc with one's portfolio if an investor gets emotionally stuck in a position, and isn't ready to realize to cut his losses quick on a bad investment. Mr. Citron, thus, did an error that tens of thousands of investors do every year, although your average Joe investor doesn't try to invest 20 billion. So this just leaves all the people in County Government pointing the finger at everyone else. The Board of Supervisors will obviously say, they didn't know what Mr. Citron was doing, so they aren't to blame. In my opinion, they absolutely are! If they are the Board of Supervisors, aren't they supposed to "Supervise"? I can also see Republicans blaming Democrats and the other way around. The truth is, they're all incompetent. Politicians are only concerned about one thing: Themselves. They'll say anything to stay in power, so I wouldn't believe anything at this point. In any event, I live in L.A. County, and literally see glee in people's faces as they talk about how that rich County to the South of us screws things up, and can't even count. Orange County has no one to blame but themselves. They're the one's who elected this whole group of bumbling politicians, so they'll have to accept the consequences.
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 106ed4,4e92e04e4499b915,start X-Google-Attributes: gid106ed4,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 1994-12-09 18:25:52 PST Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!bga.com!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!nic-nac.CSU.net!g9153402 From: g9153402@huey.csun.edu (Berton Corson) Newsgroups: ca.general Subject: ORANGE COUNTY - Losses Will Be WORSE! Date: 10 Dec 1994 02:25:11 GMT Organization: Calstate University Northridge Lines: 70 Message-ID: <3cb3i8$lvo@nic-nac.CSU.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: huey.csun.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2]