🚀 go-pugleaf

Prop. 187 passed, what now?

There are so many people protesting the passage of Prop. 187 that I feel
compelled to ask those the following three easy Questions:

1. OSHA protects all Employees of - let us say Broadway -.  Right?

2. Workman's Comp. insures all Employees of said company.  Right?

3. Someone sneaks into Broadway, or forgets to leave at closing time, or
   some employee of said company invites him onto said company's
   place of business to have - let us say some fun -. This "someone" has
   the same protections as outlined in 1 and 2? Right????? - or Wrong?

People like

::: Daniel Brockman
::: Americans Without Borders

definitely must assume that the answer to 3 is an absolute "Right"!

Why do I assume this?
Well, on Nov. 7, 1994 at 01:36:52 GMT he posted via PacSer@ix.netcom.com:

::: Know that the illegal people in California are here on my invitation.
::: They are my friends, my neighbors, my guests.

In his posting he gave not any indication that he takes financial re-
sponsibility for their support. (At least for the first 5 years, which used
to be the US Immigration law). Financial Responsibility for "sickness" 
(they might have too much fun and fall over something), for "education" 
(they might - just accidentally - have offspring) etc.

What he totally forgets: The US law tries (or at least tried) to make sure
that 1. The legal Immigrant does not have any dangerous sickness which might
        a. Expose citizens to communicable diseases.
           (I know, now the most deadly disease seems to be OK; others
           I think are still reason not to let them come)
        b. Cost the US welfare program undue costs.
     2. The applicant was not be a criminal before he/she applies
        for any type of "permission to enter".
     3. The applicant has reasonable control of the language of the land.

I believe Mr. Brockman oversteps his rights! Only Judges have the right
to take the money from someone else (e.g. TAXPAYERS), give it to other
person/entity (e.g. Hospitals, Jailguards, etc.), and rest assured
that justice has been done! (I _do_ _not_ _want_ to imply that _all_
Judges "judge" this way without *proper* and *reasonable* cause! Some
do anyway!)

On 10 Nov. 1994 07:40:15 GMT this same ..... (Would I say M...n????)
posted another _very_ _wise_ contribution to this topic:


-----*mty lines cut out to here
:: ......... The process of supply meeting demand involves production
:: and distribution, and the carrying out of these activities is employment.
:: Thus, net jobs increase with immigration, and jobs lost are more than
:: made up for by jobs created. This is an aspect of the economic
:: principle called Say's Law.

As usual, economists look only at tiny parts of the equation! This would
be absolutely correct if only Millionaires came here illegally. The ones
coming here are about as poor as Church-mice. And many of them have to
send portions of the numerous earned nickels back to the rest of the
family (back home, probably generating "demand" there). 

_PLEASE NOTE_: One of those economists even got a Nobel price in the last
20 years (I am not even willing to waste my time looking up the exact year)
before he proved that his economic model is absolutely worthless in real
life. - Or is the US Economy now in better shape than then? Japan,
Germany and other states are buying up this country piece by piece!

As long as Cuba can extort the United States to accept more of their
people, as long as Mexico can blame the United States for
'not allowing theirs to work here illegally', and as long as people
like Mr. Brockman 'invite illegals'. This country is in deep s...!  

My advice for Mr. Brockman (and all of his friends):
If you want "illegals" to be your friend, why don't you visit them
   in their homecountry, forever?
--- Wouldn't work!
   The other Country will consider you to be illegal when your visa
   expires! And they will "EXPORT" you!!!!
Then, why don't you take those illegals with you to Switzerland.
   After a given time _ALL_ of you will become "illegals" - and you
   will find out what the "Laws of the Globe" are!
If you do not want to go there (because you would have the language 
   problems) Get together with all your friends, come up with a big enough
   pot of funds, and then invite them to your groups private property!
   (We all would appreciate if you make it a secure area! - No one out!)
     By the way, this would be a perfect check for his quoted principle
     (Say's Law) The more illegals he puts into this secure area, the
     more Employment he will have!

I agree with the teachers! Prop. 187 should no become a reason for them
  to become "snitches"! For Cops, INS etc. I find no excuse to
  "not do their job" - NONE - ABSOLUTELY NONE!

I have to agree with Pete Wilson (although that might be the only
   case we can agree upon): Give every legal Californian an ID card. One
   which can be verified via Telephone, Wire-connection like Credit-Cards,
   Radio like in Police cars, etc.
What is not in the California Law at this time:
   To avoid any kind of suspicion of discrimination, there will be a
   random stop of - let's say every 213th car, 75th bicycle rider and
   every 25th pedestrian - at locations randomly selected and _NOT_
   advertised on TV or radio.
You are found not to have a valid ID: Let the INS handle you and your
   whole family! It was the job for the INS in the first place!

I also have a suggestion for the AMA (and all Hospitals being afraid of
loosing money): Treat "in case of Emergency" (and make it easy for them
- the patient coughs, that could be Tuberculosis) until he/she is out of
"Emergency condition" (or it is proven not to be an emergency case) -- 
and then have INS follow up! Choice between "Report to INS" or
"No reimbursement from the government"/"You cannot charge this case to
patients which have Insurance"!

Wolfgang G. Wienold
San Diego, CA