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I'm sure no one is really interested in a point-by-point debate.
So as a final word:



I wrote:
>: But while the NYT and Wash. Post were once liberal papers, it would be
>: hard to argue that they still are.  
>: Example: on health care, the liberal position is to be in favor of a
>: Canadian-style single-payer system.  Clinton-style tinkering is a kind of
>: middle-of-the-road approach, which you would expect since Clinton
>: represents the conservative wing of the Democratic party (Hillary is
>: a liberal, but Bill isn't -- he spent his whole career trying to move the
>: Democrats to the right).  

dlow@ppg01.sc.hp.com (Danny Low) writes:
>This example indicates that YOUR definition of liberal is so far to
>the left of reality that I am not surprise that you consider so
>many liberal news organization to be conservative. 

Intriguing.  To be in favor of the type of system that all industrialized
countries now possess, a system loved so much by the people it serves
that, asked if they would prefer a Canadian-style or a US-style health
system, 95% of Canadians expressed a preference for the one they had (and
Canadians are much better informed about the US than vice-versa), is "so
far to the left of reality", etc?  On the contrary, Mr. Low: this is only
one example of a position that is considered middle-of-the-road in most of
the Free World being called "far to the left of reality" in this country
by the powers that be (though polls have indicated that single-payer
systems of various stripes, Canadian-style or extending Medicare, have
wide support in the US).  Furthermore, my statements about Bill Clinton's
background with the Democratic Leadership Council, an organization set up
to move the Democratic party to the right and get more money from business
interests, are really beyond dispute to anyone who's made any effort to be
informed on recent political history.

Clearly we differ too much on basic definitions to have a productive debate.
I doubt if I'll follow up further, unless someone besides yourself wants
to get involved in this discussion.
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