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Article #22278Re: EARTHFIRST gathering. Rider wanted to share driving.
From: Wilson Heydt
Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1992 16:25
Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1992 16:25
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In article <2A59FCDE.17887@noiro.acs.uci.edu> mrichey@mothra.nts.uci.edu (Mike Richey) writes: >In article <1992Jul7.172034.17126@pbhya.PacBell.COM> whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt) writes: >>In article <2A59BB90.11255@noiro.acs.uci.edu>, mrichey@mothra.nts.uci.edu (Mike Richey) writes: > >>The problem with slinging a charge of 'get the facts' on this case is >>that there aren't very many of them. There is a great deal of inuendo >>and assertion from partisans on both sides--but damn few accessible >>facts. (And your opinions are no more 'facts' here than the opinions >>of those you are pointing at.) > >Okay, the point is that the accusation made beforehand was blatant. >That association with the Earth First! movement means violence. This >is actually untrue (that EF! is a violent movement). One could say >since Richard Nixon ordered the bombing of Cambodia that all >repulicans are war mongers. I use this as an example. A couple of points here . . . It's traditionally been the Republicans blaming the Democrats for getting the US into wars with WW I, WW II, Korea, and Viet Nam usually cited. So, yes, in a sense, whole politcal parties are accused of being warmongers. EarthFirst! has acquired a reputation for being on te fringes of (if not actively involved in) 'violent' actions. Some power line towers in Arizona and numerous cases of tree spiking in NW California come to mind in this connection. As there is a general trend that when you don't get your own way, to escalate the action (look at nearly all wars, rebellions, revolutions, and protest sequences), the suspicion that the EF folks were transporting an explosive device on their own is *extremely* tempting. The conclusion that this is so is nearly inescapable to anyone not an EF partisan to start with. That there is no proof of this one way or the other does nothing to remove the logic of the situation (nor to make in unjustified). --Hal -- Hal Heydt | "Boycott Time-Warner" Analyst, Pacific*Bell | --J. Danforth Quayle 510-823-5447 | "... kill all the lawyers." whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM | --William Shakespeare
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 106ed4,e89a72bb879c251 X-Google-Attributes: gid106ed4,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 1992-07-08 04:33:56 PST Newsgroups: ca.general Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!darwin.sura.net!mips!pacbell.com!pbhya!whheydt From: whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt) Subject: Re: EARTHFIRST gathering. Rider wanted to share driving. Reply-To: whheydt@PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt) Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA Distribution: ca Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1992 16:25:57 GMT Message-ID: <1992Jul8.162557.7503@pbhya.PacBell.COM> References: <1992Jun24.221940.24389@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> <2A59BB90.11255@noiro.acs.uci.edu> <1992Jul7.172034.17126@pbhya.PacBell.COM> <2A59FCDE.17887@noiro.acs.uci.edu> Lines: 43