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Rev. Jihad Frenzy wrote in message ...
>In article <6et110$j7r$2@usenet47.supernews.com>, "jmarch"
><jmarch@ricochet.net> wrote:
>
>> Rev. Jihad Frenzy wrote in message ...
>> >FYI, your apostrophes have been converted to commas, and there are
random
>> >percent signs and Sigmas all through your open letter article.
>> >
>> >Your text editor seems to have a strange idea of what constitutes ASCII.
>> >
>> >Other than that, it was quite an intriguing article.
>> >
>> >Thanks.
>> >
>> >--
>> >Rev. Jihad Frenzy
>>
>>
>> Glad you liked it.  Ummm...ya, I copied the whole thing out of a Word97
doc,
>> probably a bad idea.  I should have edited it in plain text and posted
that
>> to Word and to Mail...oh well, I hope it didn't screw up readability too
>> much.
>>
>> It's the last relic of Jim Crow, freakin' amazing considering it's 1998.
>>
>> Jim March
>
>It was quite readable, I mentioned the oddball character substitutions so
>you'd be aware of them.
>
>You know, the .38 cartridge came into popularity due to the "threat" of
>cocaine crazed darkies getting up to rubbish Down South. Seems that the
>then "standard" .32 round just wasn't up to the task of dropping a
>hopped-up cokehead.


Ummmm...actually, the single biggest push in the US *back* to a .45 round
was in the Phillipine conflict of...lemmethink...1898?  The Army had turned
in their .45LC single actions in favor of DA .38s, same gun Wyatt Earp used
at the OK Corral.  'Course, Wyatt could *shoot*, made a big difference.
Several tribesmen who were rather pissed, tough and motivated weren't
dissuaded byt multiple .38 chest shots, an uncommon occurrance in wars where
the enemy isn't as highly motivated as these guys were.  Anyways, that led
to the .45ACP with almost identical ballistics to the old .45LC in 1911.

So there was a whole lot of concern back then over "stopping power"...I
hadn't heard about specific Southern fears but I don't dispute the
possibility.

>It's not just CCW that's a holdover from the bad old days.


Tell me about it.  Remember I mentioned a "compromise"?  Many states
(including, for a brief time, Oregon) were starting to pattern rules on
NYNY's Sullivan Law, whereby you needed prior PD approval just to *own* a
gun.  The NRA thought that was "over the top" (true) so they supported PD
approval for "street carry" but you could own guns regardless.  First off,
that protected the gun owners who were interested in target competition,
hunting and other non-defense uses, and second, it was assumed that
widespread bigotry of the type Florida's Supremes showed in 1941 would be
common.

>Now the cops need 9mm or better to deal with the crack-crazed and
>angel-dusted these days.


Sigh.  Ya.  The "down with 9mm" movement stemmed from several factors which
I don't think were directly related to race.  First problem was the
ill-fated experiments with 147grain +P loads; on paper and in Gelatin they
looked great, in practice they were no better than hardball and like
hardball, had a horrifying tendency to overpenetrate and pose a threat to
the whole geography.

Then the 9mm 115+P, a far better round, failed in the Miami 1986 shootout
where the FBI took shocking casualties from two insane bank robbers.  A 115
round got to within a whisker of the heart of the guy who *then* did most of
the slaughter...but that round had already gone through over a foot of arm
tissue, crossed over sideways to the chest and entered at an odd angle; the
round became a scapegoat for gross FBI tactical incompetence.

Then the FBI compounded their screwup by going to the 10mm, a massively
overpowered magnum monster that broke guns and slowly destroyed wrists.
They reduced the powder charge, put in lighter springs and came up with the
"10mm Lite" which was OK except they were now lugging huge underpowered
"gelded cannons" around.  Somebody got the bright idea of shortening the
case and the .40S&W was born, same bullet, same powder as the 10mm lite but
you could put 'em in a 9mm-size gun.

That's what SFPD and many others uses now.  It's inherently not very
accurate; as an example, if a given 9mm gun can plant 5 rounds within 2" @
15 yards, it's .40S&W equivelent will put 'em within about 3.5", typically.
That's not a horrifying problem per se, for a close-range street combat
weapon...but you don't see 'em in shooting competition.

>The more things change...


I dunno.  Worrying about police ammo is...well, it's just a small part of
the problem.  Police *training* and especially oversight and accountability
matter a lot more.

>Rev. Jihad Frenzy


Jim March