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In article <20110818-152045.911.0@abc.shawnews.vc.shawcable.net>, 
abc@a123.ca says...
>For better an equal representation, cut some seats from other provinces 
>that are over-represented.
>
>Then divide the total in half, and reduce the Parliament by equal numbers 
>(half), so MP represent larger areas and earn their money by working 
>harder.
>
>*************************************************************************
>
>
>NDP leader slams Tory plans to add seats to House of Commons
>
>By Peter O'Neil, Postmedia News August 17, 2011
> 
>The Harper government's plans to re-draw the federal riding map of Canada 
>is 'divisive,' says interim NDP leader Nycole Turmel.
>
>OTTAWA � Prime Minister Stephen Harper's plan to give B.C., Alberta and 
>Ontario fairer representation in the House of Commons divides the 
>country, interim New Democratic Party leader Nycole Turmel said 
>Wednesday.
>
>Turmel, filling in during Jack Layton's battle against cancer, said the 
>party agrees that the three provinces are under-represented in the House 
>of Commons.
>
>But she said the NDP supports further study of the issue, in particular 
>so consideration can be given to adequate representation of rural 
>regions, the north and First Nations.
>
>"The approach of the Harper government is really divisive right now. It's 
>not constructive, it's not nation-building," she told Postmedia News in 
>an exclusive interview.
>
>Turmel, whose past membership in the Bloc Quebecois raised questions this 
>summer about her own commitment to federalism, also slammed the Harper 
>government over its announcement Tuesday that it would add "royal" to the 
>names of the Canadian navy and air force.
>
>"This is really a divisive approach," she said, arguing that the 
>government should be providing the military with better equipment rather 
>than return to identities abandoned in the late 1960s.
>
>"We need to talk about equipment. It is sad that we're . . . moving back 
>40 years."
>
>The federal Conservatives, who have twice previously introduced 
>legislation to redistribute House of Commons seats, promised during the 
>election campaign to bring forward a bill to ensure that fast-growing 
>provinces are adequately represented in the Commons.
>
>"We are committed to reintroducing legislation to restore fairness in 
>representation in the House of Commons through a principled formula fair 
>to all provinces," according to Kate Davis, spokeswoman for Edmonton Tory 
>MP Tim Uppal, minister of state for democratic reform.
>
>"Canadians have given us a strong mandate to move forward in this 
>regard," she wrote in an email Wednesday.
>
>Some analysts have argued that the legislation is particularly important 
>in urban areas with large immigrant populations, since MPs serving those 
>ridings have heavier workloads due to the disproportionately higher 
>number of people they represent.
>
>The government proposed legislation in 2010 that would expand the 308-
>seat chamber with 18 new Ontario seats after the next scheduled 
>redistribution, which would be based on the 2011 census, giving it 124 
>MPs. B.C., which had 36 seats, would get seven more seats, while Alberta 
>would go from 28 MPs to 33.
>
>The current formula, according to the Tories, would give Ontario only 
>four more seats, B.C. two and Alberta just one.
>
>The Bloc Quebecois has since the 1990s demanded that Quebec be guaranteed 
>a minimum of 25 per cent of Commons seats, a proposition offered to the 
>province in the 1992 Charlottetown accord. That constitutional deal was 
>vehemently opposed by Quebec sovereignists and ultimately defeated in a 
>national referendum.
>
>The province is now slightly overrepresented, since its 75 seats 
>represent just over 24 per cent of the total, while Quebecers make up 
>just over 23 per cent of the Canadian population.
>
>Layton, in a letter to then-Bloc leader Gilles Duceppe in 2010, countered 
>with a proposal that denounced the Harper government's attempts to 
>"marginalize the Quebec nation." Layton called on Harper to drop any 
>legislative step "that would lead to the reduction of Quebec's political 
>weight in the House of Commons."
>
>The NDP was already faced with a tough balancing act following a historic 
>electoral breakthrough that saw the party win 103 seats, 59 in Quebec, to 
>earn official opposition status.
>
>That job got harder when it was revealed last month that Turmel, a 68-
>year-old rookie MP and the former head of the Public Service Alliance of 
>Canada, held a Bloc membership for the five years leading up to her 
>decision earlier this year to run for the NDP.
>
>A self-proclaimed committed federalist who said she voted against 
>sovereignty in the 1980 and 1995 referendums, she said she took out the 
>membership as a favour for a friend who had supported public sector 
>labour causes � former Bloc MP Carole Lavallee.
>
>Turmel said she's confident that Canadians outside Quebec, including 
>British Columbians and Albertans, aren't questioning her credibility as a 
>federalist leader.
>
>"I went west, I went east," she said of her travels after earning the 
>interim leader post.
>
>"People are more concerned about their jobs, they are more concerned 
>about the economy, as well as about health care and . . . pensions."
>
>She noted that the political views of many Western Canadians have 
>changed, "from the Reform to the Alliance to the Conservatives."
>
>One analyst said Turmel's party will struggle on issues where the opinion 
>in Quebec diverges sharply from the national consensus, such as Commons 
>seat redistribution and the Harper government's plan to scrap the gun 
>registry.
>
>"This is the double-edged sword of the NDP victory in Quebec: advance 
>Quebec's interest to placate its strengthened Quebec caucus, but risk 
>alienating supporters in the rest of Canada," said Chaldeans Mensah, a 
>political scientist at Grant MacEwan University in Edmonton, in an email.
>
>Six New Democrat MPs voted with the Conservatives in an unsuccessful 
>government bid last year to kill the registry, though more had previously 
>expressed opposition to the program that has always been more popular in 
>Quebec than elsewhere in Canada.
>
>Turmel said Wednesday the caucus will discuss its position on the gun 
>registry at a meeting prior to the resumption of Parliament next month.
>

On Aug 18, 11:20 am, abc <a...@a123.ca> wrote:
> For better an equal representation, cut some seats from other provinces
> that are over-represented.
>
> Then divide the total in half, and reduce the Parliament by equal numbers
> (half), so MP represent larger areas and earn their money by working
> harder.
>
> *************************************************************************
>
> NDP leader slams Tory plans to add seats to House of Commons
>
> By Peter O'Neil, Postmedia News August 17, 2011
>
> The Harper government's plans to re-draw the federal riding map of Canada
> is 'divisive,' says interim NDP leader Nycole Turmel.
>
> OTTAWA — Prime Minister Stephen Harper's plan to give B.C., Alberta and
> Ontario fairer representation in the House of Commons divides the
> country, interim New Democratic Party leader Nycole Turmel said
> Wednesday.
>
> Turmel, filling in during Jack Layton's battle against cancer, said the
> party agrees that the three provinces are under-represented in the House
> of Commons.
>
> But she said the NDP supports further study of the issue, in particular
> so consideration can be given to adequate representation of rural
> regions, the north and First Nations.
>
> "The approach of the Harper government is really divisive right now. It's
> not constructive, it's not nation-building," she told Postmedia News in
> an exclusive interview.
>
> Turmel, whose past membership in the Bloc Quebecois raised questions this
> summer about her own commitment to federalism, also slammed the Harper
> government over its announcement Tuesday that it would add "royal" to the
> names of the Canadian navy and air force.
>
> "This is really a divisive approach," she said, arguing that the
> government should be providing the military with better equipment rather
> than return to identities abandoned in the late 1960s.
>
> "We need to talk about equipment. It is sad that we're . . . moving back
> 40 years."
>
> The federal Conservatives, who have twice previously introduced
> legislation to redistribute House of Commons seats, promised during the
> election campaign to bring forward a bill to ensure that fast-growing
> provinces are adequately represented in the Commons.
>
> "We are committed to reintroducing legislation to restore fairness in
> representation in the House of Commons through a principled formula fair
> to all provinces," according to Kate Davis, spokeswoman for Edmonton Tory
> MP Tim Uppal, minister of state for democratic reform.
>
> "Canadians have given us a strong mandate to move forward in this
> regard," she wrote in an email Wednesday.
>
> Some analysts have argued that the legislation is particularly important
> in urban areas with large immigrant populations, since MPs serving those
> ridings have heavier workloads due to the disproportionately higher
> number of people they represent.
>
> The government proposed legislation in 2010 that would expand the 308-
> seat chamber with 18 new Ontario seats after the next scheduled
> redistribution, which would be based on the 2011 census, giving it 124
> MPs. B.C., which had 36 seats, would get seven more seats, while Alberta
> would go from 28 MPs to 33.
>
> The current formula, according to the Tories, would give Ontario only
> four more seats, B.C. two and Alberta just one.
>
> The Bloc Quebecois has since the 1990s demanded that Quebec be guaranteed
> a minimum of 25 per cent of Commons seats, a proposition offered to the
> province in the 1992 Charlottetown accord. That constitutional deal was
> vehemently opposed by Quebec sovereignists and ultimately defeated in a
> national referendum.
>
> The province is now slightly overrepresented, since its 75 seats
> represent just over 24 per cent of the total, while Quebecers make up
> just over 23 per cent of the Canadian population.
>
> Layton, in a letter to then-Bloc leader Gilles Duceppe in 2010, countered
> with a proposal that denounced the Harper government's attempts to
> "marginalize the Quebec nation." Layton called on Harper to drop any
> legislative step "that would lead to the reduction of Quebec's political
> weight in the House of Commons."
>
> The NDP was already faced with a tough balancing act following a historic
> electoral breakthrough that saw the party win 103 seats, 59 in Quebec, to
> earn official opposition status.
>
> That job got harder when it was revealed last month that Turmel, a 68-
> year-old rookie MP and the former head of the Public Service Alliance of
> Canada, held a Bloc membership for the five years leading up to her
> decision earlier this year to run for the NDP.
>
> A self-proclaimed committed federalist who said she voted against
> sovereignty in the 1980 and 1995 referendums, she said she took out the
> membership as a favour for a friend who had supported public sector
> labour causes — former Bloc MP Carole Lavallee.
>
> Turmel said she's confident that Canadians outside Quebec, including
> British Columbians and Albertans, aren't questioning her credibility as a
> federalist leader.
>
> "I went west, I went east," she said of her travels after earning the
> interim leader post.
>
> "People are more concerned about their jobs, they are more concerned
> about the economy, as well as about health care and . . . pensions."
>
> She noted that the political views of many Western Canadians have
> changed, "from the Reform to the Alliance to the Conservatives."
>
> One analyst said Turmel's party will struggle on issues where the opinion
> in Quebec diverges sharply from the national consensus, such as Commons
> seat redistribution and the Harper government's plan to scrap the gun
> registry.
>

This would be insane for the Harper "conservative" government Both the
Commons and the Senate should be cut by two-thirds in numeber. Then
proportionately by population
they would be closer to the number on US senators and congressman.
Canada's government and buseaucracy are bloated and expensive for
taxpayers Canadians do not need
all these fucking MPs, senators and bureuacrats in Ottawa most of whom
really do nothing useful.


> "This is the double-edged sword of the NDP victory in Quebec: advance
> Quebec's interest to placate its strengthened Quebec caucus, but risk
> alienating supporters in the rest of Canada," said Chaldeans Mensah, a
> political scientist at Grant MacEwan University in Edmonton, in an email.
>
> Six New Democrat MPs voted with the Conservatives in an unsuccessful
> government bid last year to kill the registry, though more had previously
> expressed opposition to the program that has always been more popular in
> Quebec than elsewhere in Canada.
>
> Turmel said Wednesday the caucus will discuss its position on the gun
> registry at a meeting prior to the resumption of Parliament next month.

On Aug 18, 10:20 am, abc <a...@a123.ca> wrote:





> Turmel, whose past membership in the Bloc Quebecois raised questions this
> summer about her own commitment to federalism, also slammed the Harper
> government over its announcement Tuesday that it would add "royal" to the
> names of the Canadian navy and air force.

Well they did cave in when 33,000,000 Canadians demanded that they
can the very LONG CENSUS form. Was I ever relieved when they did that.
President Harper couldn't do any thing
less................................
CONsidering ALL the emails they received, which unfortunately
were ACCIDENTLY erased!



> The federal Conservatives, who have twice previously introduced
> legislation to redistribute House of Commons seats, promised during the
> election campaign to bring forward a bill to ensure that fast-growing
> provinces are adequately represented in the Commons.



And the liar Mulrooney swept to power because Bloc Quebecois decided
that they would all become Consevatives.
But then who complained about that?

OOOO! And BOB RAE??

On Aug 18, 10:48 am, Clyde Armstrong <clayno...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 18, 11:20 am, abc <a...@a123.ca> wrote:


> > For better an equal representation, cut some seats from other provinces
> > that are over-represented.
>
> > Then divide the total in half, and reduce the Parliament by equal numbers
> > (half), so MP represent larger areas and earn their money by working
> > harder.

How about a cut in their salaries?
Their salaries should be called  UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE!
Money for doing DIDDLEY!
They even claim thay what they are doing(or NOT doing) is A JOB!